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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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What new towers?

Posted on: 2007/4/12 20:23
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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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i was hoping to purchase one at the opening price, and maybe sell it when they are completed. the problem with that is, they are working in phases in different towers of the can company. so, if i bought one in tower 1, in a year i dont think id be able to sell it because buyers could buy inexpensively in another tower. i am not sure there will be enough buyers to allow me to 'flip' mine.


Have you been reading up on real estate lately? I am not sure you are in the right city if you are looking to "flip" a property you don't even own yet. You might not even be in the right country.
I think that the market for real estate for Jersey City, while still holding strong, is not going to see a huge rise in prices any time soon. You should probably continue renting or look in an area you have an interest in staying in for a while.
The area surrounding the Canco lofts does lack the kinds of stores you might find downtown. But it is a stone's throw away from little India and all the great food/grocery that area has to offer. Also, with the two new towers going up in Journal Square, the pressure to provide those basic ammenities is growing. You just have to be willing to wait it out for a while.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 18:48
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Re: War over car seizure plan - Fulop blasted Police Chief Comey as a "political hack"
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Am I missing something? I assume that the measures Steve is promoting simply seize the vehicle that is used in the committance of a crime. I have no problem with that. However, if the police are going to someone's home to take assets just because the person was involved in a crime, that seems like punishment before verdict. Basically, if you drive a car to buy drugs or sex, and are caught doing so, your car is forfeit. If you don't like it, walk to buy your drugs, or get a hotel room.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 17:33
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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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i took a look the first day the sales office was open. i was really looking forward to being able to buy a new luxury 1 bedroom for under 300k.
however, when i saw what was available, i wasn't THAT impressed.
the 283k one bedroom apartments are on the 1st floor only. your view will either be a parking lot on the south side, or eye level with the 1/9 & Pulaski on the north side.
the one bedroom's bathroom has a bathtub that is very deep and hard to step in. it actually appears dangerous. they also don't come with a curtain or shower door. are adults really taking that many baths? i told the agent that, in my opinion, the tub was too high, and that a sliding shower door would be nice (especially with the prices they are asking). all i got was a shrug.
the other thing that put me off was that i couldn't get an accurate answer as to what the monthly fees would be. i can't sign myself up for a high mortgage, without knowing what my additional monthly fees are going to come to.
i may be very wrong, because i don't know the neighborhood very well, but it also seemed that the necessities a neighborhood needs, weren't there. the retail spaces of the canco property have not been leased, so you'd be left crossing your fingers hoping a supermarket opens.
i was hoping to purchase one at the opening price, and maybe sell it when they are completed. the problem with that is, they are working in phases in different towers of the can company. so, if i bought one in tower 1, in a year i dont think id be able to sell it because buyers could buy inexpensively in another tower. i am not sure there will be enough buyers to allow me to 'flip' mine.
please feel free to comment. i am not a real estate expert, so i would really appreciate some informed commentary.
thanks!

Posted on: 2007/4/12 17:15
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Re: War over car seizure plan - Fulop blasted Police Chief Comey as a "political hack"
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I guess I should look at this more often as all I can say is "wow" I didn?t realize how beat up I was getting on JClist. If I lose support from some of you, it really does sadden me but I guess there isn't much I can do about that, as I try the best I can to make the city better. I do make mistakes, I think I am fairly decent at learning from them, but truthfully I don't view this as one of them.

I will say that I had a conversation with the Jersey Journal yesterday as I didn?t think they were fair by any means in presenting either the Chief or my perspective/conversation on this issue. I guess there are space issues in any newspaper but I felt they went for the sensational side only when I called the chief very political and not some of the important details. At the caucus I gave close to twenty corners that are known very active open drug corners and active with prostitution that is moving into neighborhoods. I think we all agree that it needs to be addressed and the only issue is really what are the best tools for this.

We can disagree as to whether forfeiture works, if this is something infringing on someone's rights, if this is applicable but I believe it?s a tool in certain situations that make sense and can have results. Those who reference that it is focused on poorer people is just not true , it is focused on people breaking the law and related to quality of life issues. We discussed at the caucus this wouldn?t apply to small quantities of drugs like marijuana (this was discussed) nor first offenders on prostitution however, there are instances when it would work and I believe addressing the demand side of the equation and not only the supply side can have results to help quality of life crimes.

There are 85 posts on this thread so I guess answering each one is not possible but I thought in fairness I prob should write something on the the assumptions that seemed most common.

Steven Fulop

Posted on: 2007/4/12 16:15
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Finders Keepers: Forfeiture Laws, Policing Incentives, and Local Budgets
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"I challenge anyone to find a reputable and credible study that shows that asset forfeiture leads to less illegal drug crime or prostitution."


Try this National Bureau of Economic Research paper. Usually you need to pay for them. This paper (pdf document) is free.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 14:56
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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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St johns is very nice. My brother lives there. 201 St Pauls is the nicest and best mainrained of the bldgs. you are right, they are not new, but very well maintained with 24 hr dorman and security.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 14:40
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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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property taxes come to about 1.5% of the sale price. this is seperate from maint.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 14:23
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Re: Indecision on former Police Chief Troy's legal bills
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I know nothing about politics or policing and the two never mix..........stick that in your pipe and smoke it! (Confirms a similar issue on another thread under the heading of property seizure)

Posted on: 2007/4/12 13:42
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Re: American Can/ Canco Lofts
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This is very helpful. Does that mean there will be no property taxes on these condos?

Posted on: 2007/4/12 13:38
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Re: Canco Lofts
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Hi,

Is there a decent view from this building. Seems to overlook the busy flyover, the train going by, etc. Do you know what the maintenance and property taxes would be on this? Another great option is the complex at Saint Pauls avenue - Saint Johns Condominiums. Seems to have much nicer view and is very well maintained. Much cheaper too ($350/ft) with lower maintenance and taxes. The building is obviously older but v well maintained. Did you explore that option? Your thoughts.

Thanks.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 13:32
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Indecision on former Police Chief Troy's legal bills
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Indecision on Troy's legal bills

Thursday, April 12, 2007
By KEN THORBOURNE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

The Jersey City City Council balked Monday at shelling out more money to defend former Police Chief Robert Troy in six lawsuits still pending against him.

The $50,000 limit specified in a contract with Morristown attorney Domenick Carmagnola has been exhausted and the lawyer is asking for $35,000 more to keep working, city officials said.

But before they'd agree to keep paying, several council members said they needed a better idea about the prospects of winning or settling the cases.

"We are asking you to take a look at how to resolve this," Ward F Councilwoman Viola Richardson told Corporation Counsel William Matsikoudis.

Though Troy is named in six lawsuits, he's really a principal defendant in three of them, Matsikoudis said. And now's not the time to settle, he said.

"The demands (of the plaintiffs) are outrageous and the claims I believe are false," Matsikoudis said.

The council decided to withdraw the resolution to continue to pay Carmagnola pending a "closed door" meeting with council members next week.

Troy - who served as the city's top cop from December 2004 to July 1, 2006 - was accused in separate complaints filed in 2005 by Sgt. Valerie Montone and Police Officer Marisa Johnston, of failing to stop sexually discriminatory acts against them and punishing them for political reasons.

Last year, eight police sergeants accused Troy of not promoting them because he didn't want to promote Montone, who by October 2004, ranked No. 5, on the promotion list.

Also last year, Detective Mark Razzoli filed a lawsuit accusing Troy of demoting him because he supported Assemblyman Lou Manzo for mayor during the November 2004 election.

Carmagnola has called the allegations against Troy baseless.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 12:48
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Cunningham only filed petitions for November election -- can't run in the June primary against Manzo
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SANDY OUT OF PRIMARY
Filed petitions for Nov. only

Thursday, April 12, 2007
By JARRETT RENSHAW
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Those wanting to vote for Sandra Bolden Cunningham during the June primary may be disappointed after it was revealed yesterday that she never filed a petition to get on the ballot.

Cunningham was expected to run as the Hudson County Democratic Organization's candidate for state Senate in the 31st District against the rival Democrats for Hudson County (DFHC) hopeful, Assemblyman Lou Manzo. Both candidates are from Jersey City.

State law requires state legislative candidates who are affiliated with a party to file a separate petition for the primary, according to state independent legal sources. The candidate who wins the primary receives automatic certification from the state as the party's candidate in the November general election.

If a candidate intends to run for a state office as an independent, a petition must be submitted for the November general election.

In Cunningham's case, she only filed petitions for the general election, which means she cannot run in the primary.

State Sen. Bernard Kenny, who heads the HCDO, says his organization plans to fight to get her on the primary ballot. Kenny says Cunningham, the widow of former Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, downloaded the form from the Internet, but, as a political novice, didn't understand the filing process.

"It's a technical mistake, and I understand that it wasn't only Mrs. Cunningham that had trouble with the Internet forms," said Kenny. "We are confident that this will be resolved, and we will fight hard to make sure that happens."

Neither Cunningham nor her running mate for Assembly in the 31st District, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone, could be reached for comment. The other Assembly candidate, former Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, said he was surprised to hear of the petition problems and that he filed his own petitions for the primary and has received state certification of approval for his signed forms.

Manzo said yesterday that he has been busy campaigning and had only just heard reports of a petition problem in the Cunningham camp.

"I'm waiting to see what this is all about," he said.

The implications of Cunningham's apparent mistake are unclear. Most believe Cunningham would be forced to run as an independent in the November election, and off the county party line. Should the mistake force her off the HCDO line, the chances would be more than good that Manzo would win the Democratic nomination for state Senate.

Political Editor Agustin C. Torres contributed to this article.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 12:39
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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Of course you insinuated it. It's all over your "It's embarassing to suggest a property in McGinley Square in 2007 not receive an abatement at all (clearly directed at my original "Here's a thought" comment), while they're still being handed out like Halloween candy on the "gold coast" (note the lack of a period between the two clauses, suggesting a continuing thought, i.e., my support or at least acquiescence for Downtown abatements, with no supporting evidence).

I agree with you about the value of abatements when legitimately needed. My point, perhaps not well stated, is that, 20+ years after the building boom began in Newport, this city is well past the point of needing 'artificial' incentives (i.e., tax abatements) to lure development. At this point, and in my opinion, there is more than enough commercial and residential development everywhere in JC (aided of course by said abatements) that we can and should quit abatements cold-turkey. Any litigation that may arise can be fought--and likely won--if the administration would only grow a spine. What the city should be doing is providing 'real' incentives for development such as improving the schools, roads, mass transit options, sewer system and city services, which would draw in new residents while improving the quality of life for existing ones. (Whether the revenue from PILOTs helps or hinders us from doing this is a whole other debate.)

Re: the West Side, everyone I know considers Kennedy Blvd. the eastern border of the West Side. If you grew up near the park but east of Kennedy, then you didn't live on the West Side (but at the time, this was a good thing).

Finally, I'll "manage to see past the occasional typo and misspelling" after you do.


two and a half hours and this is the best you come up with?

i think your proposal for cold-turkey abatement abandonment would have a negligible effect on downtown (where you live), and a catastrophic effect on the West Side and other parts of the city still in need of incentives (where I live). it's all well and good to think you can will dramatic improvements to city infrastructure and schools into being, and i applaud your idealism. But blind idealism doesn't pave roads or pay teachers better.

I also think you underestimate the legitimacy of the equal-protection arguments in store once the ladder is pulled up behind downtown.

as for the "West Side" claim, ask my ever-so-lovely councilwoman Mary Spinello, or her predecessor Mary Donnelly, what her Ward as a whole is commonly called. And considering how many stretches of the West Side go no further west than West Side Avenue, it seems rather gerrymanderous to confine a significant portion of a neighborhood to one block wide. But hey, what do I know, I spent my whole life here, as did my parents before me.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 3:58
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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Of course you insinuated it. It's all over your "It's embarassing to suggest a property in McGinley Square in 2007 not receive an abatement at all (clearly directed at my original "Here's a thought" comment), while they're still being handed out like Halloween candy on the "gold coast" (note the lack of a period between the two clauses, suggesting a continuing thought, i.e., my support or at least acquiescence for Downtown abatements, with no supporting evidence).

I agree with you about the value of abatements when legitimately needed. My point, perhaps not well stated, is that, 20+ years after the building boom began in Newport, this city is well past the point of needing 'artificial' incentives (i.e., tax abatements) to lure development. At this point, and in my opinion, there is more than enough commercial and residential development everywhere in JC (aided of course by said abatements) that we can and should quit abatements cold-turkey. Any litigation that may arise can be fought--and likely won--if the administration would only grow a spine. What the city should be doing is providing 'real' incentives for development such as improving the schools, roads, mass transit options, sewer system and city services, which would draw in new residents while improving the quality of life for existing ones. (Whether the revenue from PILOTs helps or hinders us from doing this is a whole other debate.)

Re: the West Side, everyone I know considers Kennedy Blvd. the eastern border of the West Side. If you grew up near the park but east of Kennedy, then you didn't live on the West Side (but at the time, this was a good thing).

Finally, I'll "manage to see past the occasional typo and misspelling" after you do.

Posted on: 2007/4/12 1:59
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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So my suggestion is "embarassing," (sic) is it?

For the record, I am, at this time (because I'm sure you'll search my previous posts for evidence to the contrary), against tax abatements in any and all parts of JC, due to the unchecked and rapacious development allowed by this and previous administrations. To insinuate that I don't have a problem with, or even support abatements Downtown just because I don't mention it in my post, might be a better example of a knee-jerk reaction.


not everybody who peruses this here website is blessed with the good fortune of having read all of your posts on the subject, and lacking that greater context, the inference could be drawn.

however, if you reread my post carefully and manage to see past the occasional typo and misspelling, you'll see that i never insinuated you were pro-downtown-abatement. i recognize that the abatment-as-of-right problem needs to stop, but political solutions, nevermind any practical solutions, do not take place in a vacuum. in terms of mapping out a practical solution to the problem, to think that it is a problem that can be solved by divorcing it from a greater context of genuine but relative "need" and abandoned cold-turkey is infantile, and will mire the city in countless and costly subsequent litigation.

in terms of abatements, i am pro-abatement when the developer can demonstrate a legitimate need for one, in areas of the city still in need of incentive for development. as scary as the word "development" is to some people (most of whom are more than happy to reap the benefits said development has bestowed upon their own neighborhoods, while condemning it out of the other side of their mouths), it would be a nightmare for all development to come to a grinding halt.

we can agree that the development/abatement-as-of-right issue needs a solution, but i can't go so far as to say all development is bad, and all abatements are unwarranted. i think there are plenty of problems with our prison system, but i'm not dumb enough to suggest that until we fix it, no newly convicted criminals should be sent to prison.

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PS - Neither this development or McGinley Square is considered the West Side, brother.


guess everybody i grew up with must have been referring to the greater district in which they live incorrectly. and when i tell people i live in the Lincoln Park neighborhood, south of McGinley Square, on the West Side, I've been telling them lies.

tell me exactly which "Side" would you consider it. the east side?

Posted on: 2007/4/11 23:26
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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So my suggestion is "embarassing," (sic) is it?

For the record, I am, at this time (because I'm sure you'll search my previous posts for evidence to the contrary), against tax abatements in any and all parts of JC, due to the unchecked and rapacious development allowed by this and previous administrations. To insinuate that I don't have a problem with, or even support abatements Downtown just because I don't mention it in my post, might be a better example of a knee-jerk reaction.

PS - Neither this development or McGinley Square is considered the West Side, brother.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 23:08
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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So the developer went from demanding a mega-super-sweetheart tax abatement deal (25 years, 12 percent gross annual revenues), negotiated down to a super-sweetheart deal (20 years, 15 percent) and would now agree to the regular sweetheart deal (20 years, 16 percent)? Is our Council finally growing some cojones?

Here's a thought: with the recently completed Bergen Avenue streetscape improvements, continued development around McGinley Square and the nearby Beacon, and a prime location a 10-minute walk from Journal Square and a half-block away from St. Peter's College, maybe this proposed development doesn't need an abatement at all. Call me crazy...


Since when did the Council curtail its trigger-happiness to sign an abtement deal on "need"? It's embarassing to suggest a property in McGinley Square in 2007 not receive an abatement at all, while they're still being handed out like Halloween candy on the "gold coast." I know the abatement-as-of-right knee-jerk has to stop someplace, but it'd be poetic for it to be a property on the West Side that is the first abatement refused.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 22:07
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Re: Curing what ails the Jersey City Medical Center - Chicago firm calls for cuts in salaries, services
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Just got a letter from my health insurer - Horizon BCBS of NJ - JCMC is not a preferred provider as of March 9, 2007. Anyone else, with other providers, get similar information? Who usually initiates this sort of action the insurance company or the hospital?

How much is a taxi to St. Barnabas?


Everyone who has Horizon BCBS/BCBSNJ recv' this letter.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 21:01
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Re: Curing what ails the Jersey City Medical Center - Chicago firm calls for cuts in salaries, services
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Just got a letter from my health insurer - Horizon BCBS of NJ - JCMC is not a preferred provider as of March 9, 2007. Anyone else, with other providers, get similar information? Who usually initiates this sort of action the insurance company or the hospital?

How much is a taxi to St. Barnabas?

Posted on: 2007/4/11 20:55
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Re: McGinley Square: Council to weigh courthouse condos abatement deal
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So the developer went from demanding a mega-super-sweetheart tax abatement deal (25 years, 12 percent gross annual revenues), negotiated down to a super-sweetheart deal (20 years, 15 percent) and would now agree to the regular sweetheart deal (20 years, 16 percent)? Is our Council finally growing some cojones?

Here's a thought: with the recently completed Bergen Avenue streetscape improvements, continued development around McGinley Square and the nearby Beacon, and a prime location a 10-minute walk from Journal Square and a half-block away from St. Peter's College, maybe this proposed development doesn't need an abatement at all. Call me crazy...

Posted on: 2007/4/11 16:41
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Re: Toll Brother's Travesty in the PAD
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Here is a link to pics of the historic part of the building.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=143baystreet-jerseycity-nj-usa

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Re: Toll Brother's Travesty in the PAD
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There are actually two parts of the Manischewitz building

1) The cinder block warehouse portion that fronts Marin Blvd and much of Morgan and Bay Streets

2) The 100+ year old portion that fronts Provost Street and abuts the embedded rail line and cobblestone street. This portion of the Manischewitz building used to house part of the A&P headquarters back in the early 1900's and recently was used for manufacturing matzos.

Obviously, no one will shed a tear over the cinder block building being leveled, however, the historic portion of the building should be rehabbed.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 14:03
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Re: Toll Brother's Travesty in the PAD
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... the historic Manischewitz building ... snip


Is this a joke?

Posted on: 2007/4/11 13:51
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Re: Mayor Healy Says we don't need more open space
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With a 1,100 acre LSP within its limits, isn't Jersey City well-provided for with green areas (on an area percentage basis), as cities go?

Particularly cities located in major metro areas?

I don't know the answer, but having some stats regarding this matter would be great.

Without such data both Healy and the open space proponents are just full of hot air.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 13:38
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Re: War over car seizure plan - Fulop blasted Police Chief Comey as a "political hack"
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War over car seizure plan
Wednesday, April 11, 2007
By KEN THORBOURNE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Comey said he'd also have to see what effect the additional legal work would have on the Prosecutor's Office and court system.

In addition, Comey raised legal concerns about seizing the car of an individual who simply lent their car to a friend or family member.



Comey you are such a dick, and have less knowledge of the political process then me.

Fulop or any councilperson is elected by the constituents of this City, and in my book he is given the 'trusted' power to push forward solutions to problem as seen by the voters.

Comey, just get off your fat-ass and say that you will start the process and get things into motion. Siht even I know that this sort of law is being carried out in a lot of States, especially the southern States and it pays for itself and is a great way to pool some nice unmarked police cars.

Hopefully this will stop drug dealers buying cars and having them registered in their grandmothers name and will make people re-think lending their cars to friends or even family. (This will show what sort of ass-hole husband or family member they are living with)

Obviously people are contacting Fulop and see drugs and 'johns' as being a major problem in JC, so its not upto Comey to second guess the communities needs, but to ACT and CARRY them out by OUR elected representatives.

I hope this isn't another "puppet" Police Chief and a tip for you Comey is DON'T THINK, JUST DO and go through the legal process and manage the change.

This all sounds like an excuse not to grab a certain Mercedes from a certain council person at-large.

Posted on: 2007/4/11 13:38
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Re: War over car seizure plan - Fulop blasted Police Chief Comey as a "political hack"
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Car seizure can often hurt the neediest people, who also are usually victims themselves, such as the wives of the Johns, the mothers of drug dealers. It all sounds very nice seizing criminals' cars, and Im sure the "law and order" folks are all about it, but there are other people to consider here who are either ignorant to these activities or victims themselves.

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Re: Mayor Healy Says we don't need more open space
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There's enough open space between his ears already.

[rim shot]

Posted on: 2007/4/11 13:27
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Re: Mayor Healy Says we don't need more open space
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I'll give ya an open space.....

Posted on: 2007/4/11 13:24
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Court mulls class-action suit on Jersey school vouchers
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Court mulls class-action suit on Jersey school vouchers

Wednesday, April 11, 2007
BY JOHN MOONEY
Star-Ledger Staff

A class-action lawsuit asking the court to allow for private school vouchers in New Jersey came up against a fundamental question yesterday: Is it even an issue for the courts to decide?

A group of parents and school voucher proponents filed the lawsuit known as Crawford vs. Davy, asking that an estimated 60,000 students in 96 low-performing schools be able to transfer to bet ter schools -- public or private -- as a constitutional right.

But the state and affected districts have sought to dismiss the lawsuit before trial, contending the matter should be left to the executive and legislative branches.

Yesterday, the motion to dismiss came before state Superior Court Judge Neil Shuster, who ap peared sympathetic to the defendants' argument, but still asked questions of both sides.

"How does the court even evaluate what is a failing school?" Shuster asked the plaintiffs' attor ney, Patricia Bombelyn.

Heralded by national conservative groups, the lawsuit is the most aggressive foray to date by a coalition of parties that have sought for nearly a decade to bring vouchers to the state.

Several were in the Trenton courtroom yesterday, including leaders of the advocacy group known as Excellent Education for Everyone that has spearheaded the case, and the Rev. Reginald Jackson, president of the state's black clergy council.

The plaintiffs' lawyers contend the state's courts have a long history in school policy in the epic Ab bott vs. Burke school equity rulings, which have mandated the expenditure of billions of additional dollars on preschool and other programs in 31 urban districts.

And they said that leaving any further action to the Legislature without the court's edict only hurts the children in schools where a majority of students consistently fail the state's tests.

"In the meantime, the children continue to be sacrificial lambs," said lawyer Julio Gomez. "They shouldn't be required to make that sacrifice until the state figures out what to do."

But lawyers for the state and the affected districts said the Ab bott cases were in response to specific efforts by the Legislature in previous school funding formulas. They said the case should at least be heard first through administrative channels, an argument that Shuster seemed to back.

"They are seeking to displace a legislative decision with their own preferred judgment," said Richard Shapiro, attorney for eight districts, including Elizabeth, Jersey City and Perth Amboy.

"They may have basis to make those claims, but they should be down the street making the argu ment," he said from the courtroom, a short walk from the Statehouse.

Shuster said he would rule on the motion within 30 days.

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