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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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A 50% increase makes no sense, they will lose 50% ridership. When you do the math in numbers it is the dumbest decision you can make, especially when there are alternatives like the PATH or lightrail.

1000 riders a day x $6 = $6000

500 riders a day x $9 = $4500

This will run them to the ground for sure, the executives who made this decision have just set them on a death march.

Its too bad cause its a great service, a great way to travel to work and at times worth the $6. For $9 no way.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 23:11
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Re: Special Planning Board Meeting - PJP Landfill Site
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The meeting will be at City Hall, either Council Chambers or adjacent Caucus Room, starting at about 6pm. If/when exact info is distributed will post.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 22:57
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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$4.75 is what NY Waterways is charging for a 1-way trip to Wall St. from the Marina @ Marin Blvd. (A little cheaper with a monthly ticket)

My wife works on Water St. Downtown Manhattan and we both don't feel comfortable with her traveling on the PATH at night if she is working late.

I have doubts that the new Water Taxi prices from Paulus Hook can last long. Passengers will boycott them and this will force them to 'close shop' and Goldman will have no ferry service for staff.

This topic is interesting because I posted something similar a few weeks ago about price increases and was told by the staff at Water Taxi that it was due to fuel / oil costs.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 22:24
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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Quote:
In exchange, the ferry operator does not pay any docking charges.


How can the operator loose over a million without paying docking charges? Does it really cost that much to run a boat? I have a hard time believing this. Other countries have ferry service for a fraction of this cost.

I doubt ferrying a few employees during the day is causing such a loss.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 21:26
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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Quote:

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How do I become a 'certain passengers' travel free during the midday?


Here is the history of why Goldman Sachs people ride for free anytime between the morning and evening rush hours.

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More from the WCBS:

N.Y. Water Taxi Raising Fares

New York Water Taxi is planning a fare increase for the ride between Pier 11 in downtown Manhattan and a dock in the Jersey City waterfront.

The water taxi company owned by Manhattan developer Douglas Durst says the increase from six dollars to nine dollars will take effect next week. Monthly passes will rise from $192 to $321.

The company blames the increases on losses it attributes to a contract with the investment bank Goldman Sachs, which owns the New Jersey dock.

The deal requires the company to carry Goldman employees at no charge between morning and evening rush hours.

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New York Water Taxi Fares Being Raised

JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- New York Water Taxi ferry riders have something to grumble about.

Fares between Exchange Place in Jersey City and Wall Street are going up 50 percent on Monday.

A one-way trip will cost $9 instead of six. Monthly rates will cost $321, or 67 percent more.

New York Water Taxi blames what it calls "an onerous contract'' that requires its ferries to carry certain passengers for free during the midday.

New York Water Taxi was awarded the contract in 2004 by Goldman Sachs. The financial firm built the ferry terminal as part of its adjacent 42-story office tower project.

The ferry company says it has lost more than $1million since beginning the service two years ago.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 16:26
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Seriously, though.

1. In all the years I've lived here, I haven't perceived the embankment as a "problem."

2. Turning it into condos would be a huge loss and represents a total lack of vision. (So, I'm betting that's the way JC government would go. . . . .)

3. See my sig line. There is money to be made here, and developers should pay to play. If we're going to allow any high rise a developer can imagine building, why not at least link those obscenities to greenspace development? Have developers pay into a fund for transforming the embankment into a park. Some developers (Exeter) actually *want* to pay to improve the greenspace.

4. Central Park is huge, gorgeous, and a little unsafe at night. Does that mean it should be paved over and turned into condos? No. If safety is an issue, don't go to the park at night. Actually, it would be very easy to close such a park at dusk--lockable staircases with one-way exits like in subways. If you're worried about encoutering condoms, well, don't walk anywhere in JC.





Of course, we could just turn it into a dogs-run-free crapkins zone, and then no one would want to have sex there. Well, almost no one. . . .

Posted on: 2006/9/21 16:19
"Someday a book will be written on how this city can be broke in the midst of all this development." ---Brewster

Oh, wait, there is one: The Jersey Sting.
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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AssHat wrote:
I did some research on jersey city - here's some of what I found :
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>> Cruisy park and bushy area, at Marin Blvd. and 6th Street, Jersey City. Located atop the historical stone wall of downtown Jersey City that used to be train tracks, right off Marin Blvd. on 6th Street. Path leading to the top area of the wall is adjacent to billboards on the wall.

"Yeah, this could be a hot place to get it on as it seems to be 'no man's land' as of yet. Oddly, it is in the middle of a very nice residential area, but I went up there to explore it with my boyfriend this past September around dusk and there's nothing up there but prickly knee-high weeds and bug-infested brush as far as the eye can see. No real place to get it on with someone unless you want lots of ticks and other bugs attaching themselves to your skin. Something else to note -- this is right in front of the Newport Mall and JC Penney's parking lot. This is the same JC Penney's mentioned here as having a hot men's room -- and yes, I've ****** a few (rare) white jocks and nerds here before, and it was way fun! The whole downtown Jersey City area has a lot of potential! Come on guys, get ******* out there!


>> Exchange Place, Jersey City. Street cruising along the street by the water.

>> Journal Square Station, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the concourse level.

"While the homeless abound (they get free meals outside), I also met the hottest stud of my life here! Best after work."

"My favorite place (and I am not dirty or homeless). Hit-or-miss but there are some great working class guys as this neighborhood isn't totally gentrified yet. Let's keep the 'now I'm sophisticated since I left Omaha' types out.


>> Liberty State Park, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet near the ferry. Take Exit 14B on the New Jersey Turnpike. Follow the signs to Liberty State Park.

"This is a good place for ******* and *******. The parking lot near Johnson Avenue and the dry dock has good bushes and cover. It can be accessed on foot from Jersey Avenue. It's a very cool location. I have walked around butt naked and I've even been ****** off. I'm just waiting to get my butt banged while looking at Lady Liberty.


>> New Jersey City University, 2039 Kennedy Boulevard, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the fourth floor in the library.

"Guys hang out and study in the study area right outside the bathrooms on the fourth floor of the library. Go, make eye contact, follow into bathroom, and get it on!"

>> Newport Mall, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the first floor of J C Penney.

"Good action in this toilet."

"Security busted me there. Be careful." Heads Up!

>> Street cruising between Newark Avenue and Hamilton Park, Jersey Avenue, Jersey City. Located near Grove Street PATH station.

>> Street cruising on Coles Street, between 5th and 6th Streets, Jersey City. Driveway/walkthrough by the iron workers garage.



Ewwwwww.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 16:08
"Someday a book will be written on how this city can be broke in the midst of all this development." ---Brewster

Oh, wait, there is one: The Jersey Sting.
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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Quote:

VanVorst_one wrote:
What is still 4.75?


Just like he said, the NY Waterway from Liberty Harbor.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 15:51
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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-What is still 4.75?
Anyway all of this used to be less than 6.00 ROUND TRIP like 2 years ago. I was shocked when it went up from there, so now this is just OUTRAGEOUS. Not even worth it...u can take the Path for 1.50 and walk to Wall Street within 15 minutes.

Who on earth can afford this?

Maybe if you spent more time working and less time posting on jclist you could afford it.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 15:47
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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What is still 4.75?
Anyway all of this used to be less than 6.00 ROUND TRIP like 2 years ago. I was shocked when it went up from there, so now this is just OUTRAGEOUS. Not even worth it...u can take the Path for 1.50 and walk to Wall Street within 15 minutes.

Who on earth can afford this?

Posted on: 2006/9/21 15:38
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Quote:

AssHat wrote:


>> Liberty State Park, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet near the ferry. Take Exit 14B on the New Jersey Turnpike. Follow the signs to Liberty State Park.


>> Newport Mall, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the first floor of J C Penney.

"Good action in this toilet."



Sound like McGreevey should hang out here.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 15:19
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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I did some research on jersey city - here's some of what I found :
================================

>> Cruisy park and bushy area, at Marin Blvd. and 6th Street, Jersey City. Located atop the historical stone wall of downtown Jersey City that used to be train tracks, right off Marin Blvd. on 6th Street. Path leading to the top area of the wall is adjacent to billboards on the wall.

"Yeah, this could be a hot place to get it on as it seems to be 'no man's land' as of yet. Oddly, it is in the middle of a very nice residential area, but I went up there to explore it with my boyfriend this past September around dusk and there's nothing up there but prickly knee-high weeds and bug-infested brush as far as the eye can see. No real place to get it on with someone unless you want lots of ticks and other bugs attaching themselves to your skin. Something else to note -- this is right in front of the Newport Mall and JC Penney's parking lot. This is the same JC Penney's mentioned here as having a hot men's room -- and yes, I've ****** a few (rare) white jocks and nerds here before, and it was way fun! The whole downtown Jersey City area has a lot of potential! Come on guys, get ******* out there!


>> Exchange Place, Jersey City. Street cruising along the street by the water.

>> Journal Square Station, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the concourse level.

"While the homeless abound (they get free meals outside), I also met the hottest stud of my life here! Best after work."

"My favorite place (and I am not dirty or homeless). Hit-or-miss but there are some great working class guys as this neighborhood isn't totally gentrified yet. Let's keep the 'now I'm sophisticated since I left Omaha' types out.


>> Liberty State Park, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet near the ferry. Take Exit 14B on the New Jersey Turnpike. Follow the signs to Liberty State Park.

"This is a good place for ******* and *******. The parking lot near Johnson Avenue and the dry dock has good bushes and cover. It can be accessed on foot from Jersey Avenue. It's a very cool location. I have walked around butt naked and I've even been ****** off. I'm just waiting to get my butt banged while looking at Lady Liberty.


>> New Jersey City University, 2039 Kennedy Boulevard, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the fourth floor in the library.

"Guys hang out and study in the study area right outside the bathrooms on the fourth floor of the library. Go, make eye contact, follow into bathroom, and get it on!"

>> Newport Mall, Jersey City. Cruisy toilet on the first floor of J C Penney.

"Good action in this toilet."

"Security busted me there. Be careful." Heads Up!

>> Street cruising between Newark Avenue and Hamilton Park, Jersey Avenue, Jersey City. Located near Grove Street PATH station.

>> Street cruising on Coles Street, between 5th and 6th Streets, Jersey City. Driveway/walkthrough by the iron workers garage.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 14:06
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting it be torn down. Actually, I really like the idea of it being an elevated park. I was just agreeing that in its current state I don't believe it adds any "charm" to the neighborhood.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 14:03
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Whether the embankment is ugly or not could be debated for a long time.

What is known for sure is that Downtown would be A MESS during the take down process. There are known cancerous substances that would be unleased into to air - blocks from an elementary school. The pounding required to take them down would surely cause damage to the foundations of all the houses around. There would be trucks, noise, dust, debris, rats and flooding. Are we prepared to live through that?

Posted on: 2006/9/21 13:42
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Re: Rem Koolhaas to design 111 First
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Whoa - I thought it was pretty obvious that NONE of the facade of 111 was going to be preserved. I thought it wasn't a "rehabilitation" at all, since the historic designation was stripped. Am I wrong? I could be, but it's A LITTLE hard to imagine squeezing all that gallery space and all those condos into that little building.

Sloppy reporting on the Ledger's part, in any case, since the guy was clearly looking at the wrong building (the one next door is yellow. 111 is clearly red).

Posted on: 2006/9/21 12:18
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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NY Waterways - Liberty Harbor / Marin Blvd here I come!

Still $4.75 one way and takes me to Wall St.

The Water Taxi was a good service, but at those prices I'm looking at $4000 a year.
I'd rather spend the money on my kids music classes and miss my walk past the coffee shop in Paulus Hook.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 11:54
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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get a job with GS...
"all company employees have passes that allow them to ride the ferry free during the non-rush-hour part of the day -- from mid-morning to 4:30 p.m. In exchange, the ferry operator does not pay any docking charges."

but this IS really steep...
we lost water taxi service at newport , people still are interested, but there's some problem with 'waterways' too, they won't restart it.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 11:34
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Re: New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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How do I become a 'certain passengers' travel free during the midday?

Posted on: 2006/9/21 11:22
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Re: Rem Koolhaas to design 111 First
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I think the brick facade is red - anyway....
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Arts notes
Star Ledger - Thursday, September 21, 2006

Koolhaas in Jersey CityDutch architect Rem Koolhaas, winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize and one of the world's leading contemporary architects, will design the rehabilitation of a loft building in Jersey City that has been a home for artists' studios for the past 15 years.

The building at 111 First Ave., a rambling neo-classical structure that long served as a tobacco warehouse for P. Lorillard, had been a landmark on the Jersey City artists' studio tours for years, at one time housing as many as 125 studios and an undetermined number of artists who lived there illegally and were evicted last year after a long battle with the owners.

Koolhaas, the author of "Delirious New York," "S, M, L, XL" and many other books, said it will take perhaps six months to finish plans for the building, situated in an increasingly upscale neighborhood. He said the design promised cafes, shops, galleries and other amenities, as well as 710 condominiums, 16,000 square feet of galleries and some below-market-price "work-live" units for artists. It isn't clear how much of the current building, with its yellow brick facades and goofily meandering hallways, would be preserved.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 10:31
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New York / Jersey City International Boat Show - OysterFEST - Irish rock superstars Black 47
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USA. New York/New Jersey International Boat Show sold out

New York/New Jersey International Boat Show has announced that it has sold out its exhibitor space for this year's show, September 28-October 1, 2006 at Liberty Landing Marina in Jersey City, NJ.More than 300 boats will be on display at the show in Liberty State Park. Additionally many of these boats will be available for on location sea trial demonstrations. This premier Fall indoor/outdoor and in-water show features the breathtaking views of the Manhattan Skyline, the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island as well as boats from many of the world's leading recreational boat builders such as Carver, Silverton, Wellcraft, Tiara, Four Winns, Sea Ray, Meridian, Formula, Fountain, Outerlimits, Jupiter, Blue Finn, Champion, Triumph, Seaswirl, Glastron, Hampton Yachts, Ranger, Marquis, Larson, Hydrasports, Grady White and Cruisers Yachts and many more as well as noteworthy Marine Mart exhibitors such as; Yamaha, RayMarine, Volvo and Sirius and many more.

This year's Show features expanded land space offering exhibitors two clear span buildings totaling 50,000 square feet and the Show once again has secured A through F docks in the marina. Both the tent and slips have sold out. This year's show features almost one hundred boats indoors!

"We are very pleased to announce that we have sold out this fall's boat show," said show promoter Ken Tesler of Liberty Event Management. "With BP joining as our presenting sponsor, we have been able to significantly increase our marketing efforts. BP is marketing the Show throughout its stations in the New York and New Jersey markets."

The New York/New Jersey International Boat Show also has secured an important sponsorship and marketing partnership with The Star-Ledger newspaper and NJ 101.5 radio that has resulted in a major saturation print and radio marketing campaign. Boat Show promotional and marketing ads will be running continuously in The Star-Ledger, New Jersey's largest daily newspaper, and on the radio in the final two weeks leading up to the Show.

Exhibitors will also be able to enjoy two special events courtesy of GE; a stage-in day barbecue and an Opening Day Welcome Party are both planned. GE will also host a dealer hospitality lounge available to dealers for the duration of the show.

The New York/New Jersey International Boat Show offers something for everyone with boats ranging in size from 10-feet in length to 100-feet and in price from $5,000 for sleek tenders to luxury motor yachts in excess of $5 million. There will also be a special section dedicated to sailing featuring well known brands such as Hunter, Beneteau, Catalina and Jenneau.

The show will feature several convenient food and beverage stations along the picturesque promenade and while taking a break from all there is to see, all boat show visitors will have the opportunity to register to win several fantastic prizes such as flat screen televisions and iPods by entering several FREE, exciting raffles. During the boat show on location at Liberty State Park, FLW Outdoors, the world leaders in professional fishing tournaments will be conducting a $125,000 Striper Fishing Tournament. At the tournament and boat show, BP will be offering FREE rides to boat show visitors in their computerized Ranger fishing boat simulator.

Additionally, the show will offer an Arts & Crafts Gallery and on Saturday, Sept. 30, Guinness is hosting an OysterFEST, with the obvious fresh oysters and cold drinks served up by Guinness along with live entertainment featuring Irish rock superstars Black 47.

Show hours are: Thursday, September 28, 1:00 pm - 6:00 pm; Friday, September 29, 12:00 noon - 6:00 pm; Saturday, September 30, 10:00 am - 6:00 pm; and Sunday, October 1, 11:00 am - 6:00 pm.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 10:25
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New York Water Taxi to Raise Rates One-way Trip From Exchange Place Will Cost $9 Instead of $6
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New York Water Taxi To Raise Rates

JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- New York Water Taxi ferry riders have something to grumble about.

Fares between Exchange Place in Jersey City and Wall Street are going up 50 percent on Monday.

A one-way trip will cost $9 instead of $6. Monthly rates will cost $321, or 67 percent more.

New York Water Taxi blames the increases on what it called an onerous contract that requires its ferries to carry certain passengers for free during the midday.

New York Water Taxi was awarded the contract in 2004 by Goldman Sachs. The financial firm built the ferry terminal as part of its adjacent 42-story office tower project.

The ferry company said it has lost more than $1 million since beginning the service two years ago.
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Steep ferry hike sinks riders' spirits - Many consider trains as Water Taxi ups fare for ride to Wall Street

Thursday, September 21, 2006
BY RUDY LARINI
Star-Ledger Staff

Traveling by ferry between Exchange Place in Jersey City and Wall Street is about to get a lot more expensive.

Beginning Monday, commuters who use the financial district ferry service will get hit with a 50 percent fare hike that the operator, New York Water Taxi, is blaming on free passengers it is required to carry on non-rush-hour trips.

The increase is from $6 to $9 per one-way trip. Monthly commuters face an even higher percentage increase, with the cost rising 67 percent, from $192 to $321. A 10-trip ticket also will be increased by 50 percent, from $54 to $81.

"That's a humongous jump in price," said commuter Mark Bowin, a Manhattan court reporter who lives in Jersey City. "This really is not justified. That is a dramatic increase."

In notices that New York Water Taxi is handing out at the Paulus Hook ferry terminal just south of Exchange Place, the ferry operator "apologizes" for the steep fare hike, but adds it is unavoidable under "an onerous contract" that requires New York Water Taxi to carry "certain passengers free during the midday."

The notice says New York Water Taxi has lost $1.2 million since beginning the service two years ago. The notice also says the ferry operator has tried unsuccessfully to renegotiate the terms of the agreement.

New York Water Taxi was awarded the contract for the Paulus Hook service in 2004 by the financial firm Goldman Sachs, which built the ferry terminal as part of its adjacent 42-story office tower project. The firm has some 4,000 employees in the tower.

Neither the ferry operator nor a spokesman for Goldman Sachs would discuss the contract or free ridership, citing a "confidentiality agreement" between them when the contract was signed.

But daytime commuters at the terminal, many of whom work for Goldman Sachs and declined to be identified, said all company employees have passes that allow them to ride the ferry free during the non-rush-hour part of the day -- from mid-morning to 4:30 p.m. In exchange, the ferry operator does not pay any docking charges.

New York Water Taxi's Paulus Hook to Pier 11 ferries make some 2,000 passenger trips a day and company President Tom Fox said about 30 percent are free.

Commuters are none too happy about the fare increase and many said they would switch to PATH trains at the Exchange Place station just north of the ferry terminal.

"Sorry, I'm not going to pay $18 back and forth every day. That's insane," said Alex Zeldine, a Goldman Sachs employee who commutes to his home in Staten Island.

"They're going to lose a lot of business," said Vince D'Ambrosio of Jersey City, explaining that he and three co-workers at a New York shipping firm are switching to PATH. "The whole problem is with Goldman Sachs. Well, take it up with Goldman Sachs. Why should the rest of us have to suffer?"

"I can't afford this," said Christina Ragucci of Belleville, who works for a Manhattan financial institution. "I love taking this boat. I don't want to give up my boat, but I can't afford this. I'm going to have to go back to using the subway."

"I'm sadly disappointed," said daily commuter Joan Litman of Jersey City, a teacher on the East Side of Manhattan. "I don't doubt their reasons, but it will probably cut me out of riding the ferry."

"I love the ferry," Litman added, comparing it to the cramped ride on PATH. "This is therapy."

Fox said he understands the riders' dismay.

"I don't blame the passengers for their concern," he said. "We do this with great reluctance."

Because of the confidentiality agreement, Fox did not want to discuss the possibility of discontinuing the Paulus Hook service, which is required under the contract with Goldman Sachs, should ridership plummet.

"We'll have to see what happens," he said. "We've been trying to straighten this out for two years to no avail."

Rudy Larini may be reached at rlarini@starledger.com or at (973) 392-4253.

Posted on: 2006/9/21 10:14

Edited by GrovePath on 2006/9/21 10:34:36
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Re: Sawadee Thai Restaurant
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Just an update on this as we have been working with the SID and planning on this Newark avenue business since elected.

We have three new restaurants for the Newark Avenue SID in the very near term two of which will have liquor licenses.

1) The Thai restaurant mentioned in this thread which I can confirm is putting substantial $$ into the space

2) Maggie's restaurant (two doors down from LITM), to which you can see the construction work that is being done inside

3) A restaurant/lounge located near First and Grove, (owner from across the river) - more details down the road.

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Other things of note:

- Also, I have asked the planning department to begin a redevelopment plan for most of the south side of Newark Avenue in order to create more of a retail friendly streetscape feel on both Christopher Columbus and Newark Avenue.

- We just ordered quite a few new garbage receptacles for Newark Ave to which you will see shortly.

Finally, If you want to get involved you can attend the SID meetings or e-mail me and we will do our best to keep you in the loop

Best regards
Steve

Posted on: 2006/9/21 9:27
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Re: Sawadee Thai Restaurant
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It will be fantastic when restaurant row becomes a reality!

Posted on: 2006/9/21 0:12
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Quote:

Skadave wrote:
Am I in the minority here? Most people don't think the embankment is a problem?


I'm with you. I do see it's potential and appreciate it as a relic of the past, but in it's current state that you described it's ugly. Everything that's been done to it has made it ugly- it's unkempt, trashed and covered with crappy graffiti in certain parts.

Posted on: 2006/9/20 22:27
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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JPhurst wrote:
Pazman has quite eloquently pointed out that it is not the Embankment supporters that are delaying anything, or hindering progress. Rather, it is they who came up with the vision for the Embankment, and have taken action to secure funding sources outside the city's coffers.

But I am curious as to skadave's description of the situation as "the Problem of the Embankment." Certainly, it would be great to use it as a park so that it could be more fully appreciated and enjoyed. But most residents in the area don't consider the structure a problem.

At the very least, we have a structure which serves as a reminder of the railroad past of this city, and provides environmental benefits as well. It's a lot like the Reservoir in that respect, in that when it was left along, it showcased the remarkable powers of nature, and demonstrated how it could be incorporated into the plan for open space.

I want the park built sooner rather than later, but I don't see the Embankment, even unused, as a blight.

Joshua Parkhurst
President
Jersey City Landmarks Conservancy


No disrespect but I don't know too many people that think the embankment is beautiful. I quite frankly think it's an eyesore in its current state. I am never comfortable walking by it after 11pm (especially on coles street), it is trash lined, the lights on the top of it look as if they were broken 20 years ago, the "no justice no peace" graffiti on the corner of erie 6th has been there for over 9 years, some old men have made a portion of it their living room, and the smirnoff ice ads don't add any charm to downtown Jersey City either.

Am I in the minority here? Most people don't think the embankment is a problem?

Posted on: 2006/9/20 22:07
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Quote:

ccitizen wrote:
Policing? The department isn't willing to dedicate a patrol to Hamilton Park. Do you reall think they could dedicate police to an awkward spot that they would have a hard time getting to and from?


They would have to build roads to get a cop up there since they don't get out of their car much. You know this is the truth for most.

I'd like to see the light rail with a park but now you have the danger of people getting hurt. Also, if making open space, how high would you have to make the fences along the entire route so kids don't fall off? There is no easy solution.

Posted on: 2006/9/20 21:20
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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btw, if you look at some portions of the upper walls where, I'm guessing, weathering has worn away the grime, you can see the original color of the stone, a rich brownish-red. A good cleaning would go a long way toward making it less "ugly", though I'm admittedly baffled by those who find it so now.

Posted on: 2006/9/20 20:26
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
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Quite a regular


These are the same conversations that have gone on since I moved to the area and they haven't changed one bit. Talk to the mayor. He'll be the first one to tell you that the city cannot afford to build/maintain a 5 block long park for the people of downtown (the greenway thing if fine but this is really about giving a park to downtown). Not to mention the city doesn't even own the land.

Policing? The department isn't willing to dedicate a patrol to Hamilton Park. Do you reall think they could dedicate police to an awkward spot that they would have a hard time getting to and from?

Compromise is the answer. A 5 block park is as much out of character in Hamilton Park as are steel brushed towers, is it not?

Find a way to scale down the embankment's height. Dedicate two blocks to parks and let the rest get developed by someone who will build to historic guidelines (Hyman of whoever he sells it to).

Othewise, the ugly walls will be up for another 10-20 years.

Posted on: 2006/9/20 20:09
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Re: Zoning Board to Consider Building Housing on the Embankment
Home away from home
Home away from home


Quote:

AlanSommerman wrote:
To all of you who follow the park situation in JC - will there ever be a way to get to LSP by bike other than getting off the riverwalk and going inland to Jersey Avenue?


No. The cost of building and maintaining a drawbridge across the mouth of the canal is totally prohibitive. Give it up, and look forward to the day when the recycler is gone and the ride to the footbridge is more pleasant. You can't be further from the bridge than I am in HP and I get there quite quickly.

Pazman,

All your reasons FOR are quite wonderful and in a perfect world indisputable, but you fail to address in real terms the safety issue. Please don't suggest cameras, recent events have made clear the police consider them useless.

Does anyone know how NYC plans to secure the Highline park?

Posted on: 2006/9/20 19:20
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Re: Sawadee Thai Restaurant
Home away from home
Home away from home


Great, we could really use a good Thai place. I think there's a decent place out in Paulus Hook, but I've never successfully gotten them to deliver.

Posted on: 2006/9/20 19:06
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