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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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You guys must really miss Grad School!

Posted on: 2006/8/29 15:38
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Re: KILLED IN GUN BATTLE: Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex on Bright street
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Maybe they should have 24-hour surveillance cameras and armed national guards and/or police on a 24 hour basis patrolling the projects. Something need to be done about the lawlessness in the projects.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 15:33
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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As evidenced by the HPNA survey, there is an incredible need/want for both active recreational facilities and open passive space. I hope that the consultants can put their knowledge and experience to use in proposing a good renovation plan. However, after attending some of the public meetings that they held on the Parks and Open Space Master Plan, I share Bright Moments concerns about it.

For more information on the Parks and Open Space Master Plan including a schedule of upcoming meetings, see -

Parks and Open Space Master Plan meetings

Civic JC submitted recommendations to the Master Plan after attending all of public meetings which can be viewed here -

Civic JC Recreation and Open Space Report

Posted on: 2006/8/29 15:22
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Re: Press Release - Steven Fulop
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While this is certainly not the worst example of a conflict of interest on the city council, this is a significant issue and directly related to numerous municipal problems.

A greater conflict of interest is the acceptance of campaign contributions from developers/property owners and then voting on redevelopment plans, changes/upzoning ammending the redevelopment plans, and of course property tax abatement agreements benefiting them. Prior to his council campaign, Councilman Fulop spoke at a city council meeting on this linkage / quid pro quo.

I support his effort to challenge the newly reconstituted Ethics Board on this issue and hope he continues to expose how Jersey City elected officials are compromised in representing the public

Posted on: 2006/8/29 14:51
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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rtala34 wrote:
Hardly semantics

Two very different meanings, that convey two very different messages. That is the way propaganda works its subtle but significant. That was my only point and I think it has been made

I am not denying the contributions of Mr. Lee he is the inventor but wasn't the web a DARPA project?


No, the Web was invented at CERN in Switzerland, the world's first website.

Creation and invention are not synonyms but there is overlap. One sometimes wholly includes the other, but not always. You sound more like a politician than a technician. If you had been working on the internet, years before Gore made any of his utterances you would know what a joke this is. Whatever initiative he thinks he made didnt create anything that didnt already exist. That is the meaning of create, I think; not to build on or improve, but to construct from the beginning.

If you are a politician, and interested in semantics, perhaps you can tell me what the "meaning of is is".

Posted on: 2006/8/29 14:44
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Re: Healy and emails
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Emails- The only way I would have had your AOL "home" account email address would have been if you sent me an email from it.

Fundraiser tickets - you offered me complementary tickets to a political fundraiser during a city council meeting in November 2004, the Tsunami did not occur until the end of December, after Christmas.





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r_pinkowitz wrote:

Dan, you’ve lost your mind!

You’re correct on one point and ONE point only, we never corresponded via city e-mail. BECAUSE YOU WOULD ONLY SEND E-MAILS TO MY AOL HOME ACCOUNT! Btw, the tickets we offered to you and everyone else… was to the fundraiser that was being done for the victims of the Tsunami, where 100% of the proceeds went to Unicef.

Also, I had nothing to do with PAD and left that strictly to the Councilman, the only involvement I had was with 110/111 when they were not working within the scoop of their permits and the city ordinances. I would never have made a call to anyone to discuss the PAD since I wasn’t fully knowledgeable in that area.

You really do have a distorted view on the correct facts.

Have a happy day, as always it's a pleasure.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 14:37
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**JC RESTAURANTS PAST & PRESENT ***
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Okay here's my list of classic JC restuarants :

*Duckys
*laico's
*Tripoli
*PlankBoard Inn
*Tippys
*Lincoln Inn
*Pippys
*Jules
*Casa Dante
*Puccini

Anyone Else ???

CK

Posted on: 2006/8/29 13:42
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Re: KILLED IN GUN BATTLE: Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex on Bright street
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Doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon other than up...

CK

Posted on: 2006/8/29 13:34
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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If the "system" worked there would have been no proceeding.

I agree poor folks should not have to live in dangerous conditions often brought about by the sale of drugs and we must correct this behavior so that hard working lower income residents have a safe atmosphere for their children

However, the policy is flawed and often applied in a overbroad manner.

The zoning suggestion is interesting but I doubt the "druggie" zone will be in a middle-high income neighborhood so its just squeezing the balloon, to another low income neighborhood.

The policy can't work as a matter of economics. Some poor folks looking to make a quick buck realise that there is a market for illegal substances and they will rise to meet that market need without regard to anything else. Since the evictions don't address the market they will accomplish nothing.

YOu need education and good police work and that still has it short comings in addressing market forces.

Bottom-line legalize the soft drugs concentrate on the hard ones, treat (not jail) the addicts, educate the youth and hopefully you mitigate demand.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 13:17
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Hardly semantics

Two very different meanings, that convey two very different messages. That is the way propaganda works its subtle but significant. That was my only point and I think it has been made

I am not denying the contributions of Mr. Lee he is the inventor but wasn't the web a DARPA project?

Posted on: 2006/8/29 13:08
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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alb wrote:

....I think it would be good if cities could official designate certain housing project buildings and maybe even blocks to be "druggie zones," ....That way, people who want to buy and sell drugs could do so in peace, without having a bunch of moms pushing screaming babies past in strollers, and the moms wouldn't accidentally walk through parks that turn out to be shooting galleries...


What do they do with the people now living in these "project buildings" or these "blocks" of residential properties?

Should the city send out letters saying -- "Sorry but you must move -- we have these guys who just got out of jail and they have a problem with drugs -- they need your houses and apartments"

Also how would you like it if you owned or even rented a house next to where the city says must now be a "druggie zone"?


I think people who have to live in the projects want these families who have drug dealing - gang bangers - out! They are tired of living in a war zone -- the hell with these families who cause the life of other poor people to be so hard.

Drugs = Guns

no Semantics

Posted on: 2006/8/29 13:05
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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GrovePath wrote:
Hey Alb,

You stopped mid sentence -- what happened?

Quote:

alb wrote:

The Netherlands does this sort of thing with drugs and prostitution, and I think that


Must be the drugs. (In my case, the drug happens to be coffee with milk and sugar.)

Anyhow, I fixed the problem.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 12:19
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Hey Alb,

You stopped mid sentence -- what happened?

Quote:

alb wrote:

The Netherlands does this sort of thing with drugs and prostitution, and I think that

Posted on: 2006/8/29 12:15
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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NNJR wrote:
*tries to bring thread back on-topic*

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NYCHA was proceeding with the eviction despite the circumstances. We won the case at trial but my client was very nearly evicted ...

...

I still think the policy is valid *IF* it is for tenants convicted of a drug related crime. The people that are living with these drug dealers/users are the ones that need help.


A modest proposal: my guess is that even the people here saying "throw da bums out" are somewhat libertarian about the drugs themselves.

I think it would be good if cities could official designate certain housing project buildings and maybe even blocks to be "druggie zones," the way they zone certain areas to be strip mall zones.

That way, people who want to buy and sell drugs could do so in peace, without having a bunch of moms pushing screaming babies past in strollers, and the moms wouldn't accidentally walk through parks that turn out to be shooting galleries.

The Netherlands does this sort of thing with drugs and prostitution, and I think that works really well.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 12:01

Edited by alb on 2006/8/29 12:18:03
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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*tries to bring thread back on-topic*

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NYCHA was proceeding with the eviction despite the circumstances. We won the case at trial but my client was very nearly evicted for no reason but for being a relative of a person who was selling drugs near her apartment.



Looks to me the system worked here. You did a good job defending this woman's right to stay. There are bound to be exceptions to a rule like this and they need to be treated accordingly.

I still think the policy is valid *IF* it is for tenants convicted of a drug related crime. The people that are living with these drug dealers/users are the ones that need help.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 11:38
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Please bear with me. I was following this debate but I must have gotten distracted and lost my train of thought. Let's see if I got this straight. Al Gore used the Egyptian and Roman tax money to invent the internet and that is why we have the one strike you're out policy which is applied unfairly due to the beaurocracy in the Song Dynasty? OK, I think I'm up to speed. Carry on.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 11:36
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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rtala34 wrote:
Here is the full quote;

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet....

"took the initiative" has become "invented the internet" which is a blanant falsehood.

I think we agree on that point.


Hey, are we going to have another discussion about semantics?

No, he was very late to the party. The initiative was taken well before he opened his mouth, Ask the likes of Time Berners Lee or the folks that set up Arpanet. Always gives me a bloody good laugh each time I hear it, though (Sorry).

Posted on: 2006/8/29 11:33
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Here is the full quote;

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Now what he meant by initiative is that he provided the funding for it, in Congress he was a vocal advocate of the creation of the internet. Although that is not part of the quote that is what Congress does and that is where he was at the time. They provide funding for programs when he says initiative it meant funding but I concede he wasn't that clear

"took the initiative" has become "invented the internet" which is a blanant falsehood.

I think we agree on that point.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 11:10
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Re: KILLED IN GUN BATTLE: Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex on Bright street
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I don't know why you are so uptight - but the Booker T. Washington Housing Projects are in our zip code 07302 - I like to keep up on the growing gun shootings there.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 10:51
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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Nice hit and run first post.

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Sleepygirl wrote:
I think it is fair to say that Minnie is out of step with the general of the neighborhood is out of step, and with the plans for the park. Plans no one else has seen, yet she has been charging about the neighborhood claiming that trees are going to pulled down even though she, like the rest of the neighborhood has yet to see one new drawing. Furthermore her attitude towards children and families in the neighborhood is unbelievably hostile and believe me when I say she has managed to raise the ire of every parent I know in Hamilton Park. The park is in fact for everyone old and young a like, there is room for everyone to have space to enjoy our wonderful park.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 10:43
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Policing Jersey City's Rockaway reservoir snags in legalisms
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Policing Rockaway reservoir snags in legalisms
Tuesday, August 29, 2006
By KEN THORBOURNE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy is in hot water with his Rockaway Township counterpart.

Mayor Louis Sceusi wants to step up crowd control in and around the 625-acre Split Rock Reservoir in his township, which Jersey City owns. But Healy, according to a letter Sceusi dashed off to the mayor on Aug. 14, is holding him up.

"We are again requesting permission for our police department to patrol and enforce trespassers in and around the Reservoir area to prevent any potential dangerous or life threatening situation," Sceusi wrote.

"Over this past weekend, there was much activity around the remote areas of the Reservoir, including drunken and disorderly conduct, parties, etc., which could have resulted in dangerous situations, leading to potential liability concerns," Sceusi added.

According to the letter, Jersey City's corporation counsel, William Matsikoudis, met with township officials on June 7, but nothing was resolved and there's been no follow-up.

But Healy says several issues have to be sorted out before policing Split Rock is handed over to Rockaway Township police - including holding Jersey City legally harmless for the actions of township cops.

"Further clarification needs to be made on whether the state, through its park rangers or State Police, should patrol the property, or if the Rockaway Township Police Department should enforce the law, but indemnify the city in case of a liability," Healy said yesterday.

Ten years ago, Jersey City - over the objections of the township - signed an easement with the state's Department of Environmental Protection to allow recreation, including electric-powered boating.

The deal netted Jersey City $1.5 million, but left Rockaway Township with a host of headaches, including children swinging off tree limbs and into the water even though swimming is prohibited.

Sceusi is seeking an agreement from Jersey City that only a police officer's testimony would be needed to prosecute a complaint at Split Rock, according to a news report.

Without such an agreement, a Jersey City official would have to appear in court in order to prosecute an offender.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 10:40
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Re: KILLED IN GUN BATTLE: Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex on Bright street
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AND YOUR POINT IS ????

CK

Posted on: 2006/8/29 10:31
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Re: KILLED IN GUN BATTLE: Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex on Bright street
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Mourning in 'Bullet Town'

3rd shooting at housing complex in 3 months

Tuesday, August 29, 2006

By MICHAELANGELO CONTE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
WILLIAM GRIFFIN JR.
DERRICK MACK

The latest shooting in Jersey City's Booker T. Washington Public Housing Complex has a dead man's grieving father referring to the complex by a new nickname.

"This was once a model for public housing projects nationwide, and from that it turned into what it is now - they call it Bullet Town," said William Griffin Sr., whose 24-year-old son, William Griffin Jr., was shot to death in the complex Sunday about 2 a.m. It's the third shooting at the housing complex in as many months.

Investigators believe Griffin Jr. was killed in a shootout with Derrick Mack, 25, of Bidwell Avenue, who was wounded in the exchange of gunfire.

Griffin Jr. - whose last name was incorrectly spelled by authorities Sunday - formerly lived in the complex and attended Ferris High School, his father said. But Griffin Jr. went to prison in 2004 on drugs and weapons charges, and after getting out last March, he moved in with his father in Linden.

His father said Griffin Jr. would frequently return to Jersey City to visit his grandmother.

The shootout may have been the result of an attempted robbery, Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said.

Griffin Jr. was shot in the chest and the left eye and pronounced dead on arrival at the Jersey City Medical Center.

Mack - who was driven by a friend to University Hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound to the back - has been arrested on weapons charges, but hasn't been charged with homicide in connection with Griffin's death, DeFazio said. However, the investigation is continuing.

Police have spoken to the man who drove Mack to the hospital and they impounded the car for forensic testing, DeFazio said, adding two .380-caliber casings were found at the scene, as was one 9 mm casing. Mack is expected to recover from his wound, DeFazio said. One gun thought to have been used in the shooting has been recovered, DeFazio said, and police are searching for the second weapon.

Last night, Griffin's family gathered in the Booker T. Washington apartment of his grandmother, Rachel Speaks, to comfort each other. They planned to make funeral arrangements after Griffin Jr.'s body is released by the Medical Examiner's Office in Newark.

"He always wanted to be around to help me," Speaks said last night.

Sunday's shooting caps a violent summer at the Booker T. Washington complex that has seen three shootings since June, as well as a man pistol-whipped during a robbery earlier this month.

"We have seen a noticeable increase of criminal activity in and around the Booker T. Washington Gardens," DeFazio said yesterday. "It's clear that we need the community's help to curtail this wanton gun violence

Posted on: 2006/8/29 10:24
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Egyptian times / Roman times all had taxes. Initially some form of taxes were collected (not necessarily in the form of currency but grains and fish as an example) to provide protection from the ruling parties against invaders, so it goes back along time.

As they say you can't avoid death and taxes!

Posted on: 2006/8/29 9:54
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Actually, Gore didn't say anything about funding:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.
Gore supported technological advances related to the advancement of the Internet, but to say that HE took the initiative in creating the Internet is a bit much.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 9:41
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Sinik,

Thanks for repeating the propaganda. Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

He said that he was at the forefront at providing funding for the development of the web and that is true.

The quote to which you were referring was used during the 2000 election/selection, but was proven to be false.

Taxation was in use in other regions before Europe that is also a fact.

So one out of two ain't bad

Posted on: 2006/8/29 9:30
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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I think it is fair to say that Minnie is out of step with the general of the neighborhood is out of step, and with the plans for the park. Plans no one else has seen, yet she has been charging about the neighborhood claiming that trees are going to pulled down even though she, like the rest of the neighborhood has yet to see one new drawing. Furthermore her attitude towards children and families in the neighborhood is unbelievably hostile and believe me when I say she has managed to raise the ire of every parent I know in Hamilton Park. The park is in fact for everyone old and young a like, there is room for everyone to have space to enjoy our wonderful park.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 9:22
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Re: COMING SOON: A Sea of Concrete
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Didnt Fulop come up with a plan to address the parking issue...about 6 months ago. And the council tabled it, I think because they just dont like him. I'm getting the feeling that anything Fulop comes up with...no matter how good...the council is going to ignore it because it came from him. And NOW Gaughan is saying...oh here's an idea I just thought of...we should address the parking problem. But of course he comes up with some lame stupid idea not nearly as good as Steve's. (Im not sure here, but I think Fulop's idea was to limit parking permits to the new tower residents who have spaces already in the building...)

And PLEASE tell me that Gauhan really didnt say the comment about the homo's with email...PLEASE. Somebody made that up...right?

Posted on: 2006/8/29 9:18
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Re: 'One-strike' you're out for drug-related crimes - Jersey City now gives families a second chance
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Quote:

cm4cd wrote:


Last word
I'm from Europe where taxation and bureaucracy were invented.

/rantoff


The nelogism 'bureacracy' might have been invented in 18th Century Europe but the concept goes back to the Song dynasty in China. That's a bit like Al Gore claiming he invented the information superhighway. I think taxation goes back to at least Egyptian times before money.

Posted on: 2006/8/29 8:36
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Re: Daytime Burglary on Coles and 7th
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Has anyone else has a chance to email the local news? Please, if you can, take a few minutes and open their eyes to this horrible situations.

Thank you

Posted on: 2006/8/29 7:15
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