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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Resized ImageYou'd think this guy went to school for a long time but he just graduated in 2001. http://www.njcu.edu/dept/acp/coop_student_awards.html#dwrieden

If he doesn't ease up with all the rules I say we put up a collection to have him 'snatched up'. #OOPS# him and his Marvin Windows!

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Anonymous
Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
So, whats the deal with Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'? It seems this guy has a lot of enemies due to how he deals with the people who own historic homes in the area.

Last night he was the topic of discussion at the Hamiliton Park Neighhood Association Meeting. Seems like the 'flamer' has a lot of homeowners heated. They passed out a 20 page document of complaints on him.


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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
I've been waiting to bring back my slaves! I can't wait for the downtown area to secede from the rest of Jersey City!

Way to go folks, looks like some of you have reached the moral and political maturity of a mid-nineteeth century southerner!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Regarding Tris' reference to Alan Karcher's piece... while it addresses the impact of fragmentation, it doesn't (nor was it intended to) address the underlying issues that caused the fragmentation.

I can see secession as the response to non-responsive governmental structures and frustration.

In the Jersey City context, I can point to stress fractures in governance and administration.

Jersey City's size also has an impact. With a distorted tax base (overly reliant on property taxes and gimicky tax abatements), we still manage to have an underfunded budget, which is barely able to meet reasonable demands for city services. Even the structure and organization of City Council is open to question. We have a city council, which is a part-time institution, and paid accordingly, and it too seems inadequate to meet the needs of a city with full-time, real city problems:

Short of secession, some questions for other future threads:

1. Should the very structure of Jersey City government be questioned. Has Jersey City, literally, outgrown the ability of its institutions to cope?

2. Does it serve the various diverse communities of Jersey City to have a 6 Ward system and 3 at large council people, or should city council be reorganized along some other lines provided by NY law?

3. Should there be something like a community board system instituted?

4. Are property taxes a fair way to finance the city's oeprations? Should we ditch property taxes in favor of some other approach to taxation -- e.g. a form of city income tax?

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Well if "it's cost us dearly" then Why is Hoboken which really is part of JC doing so well? Maybe downtown can join in with Hoboken we can call this area Hudson City.


Hoboken is one case out of 566.

It is not always to Hoboken's advantage to be so small. Ask anybody who works for that municipal government whether they'd like a little more territory. At this point, the only place for Hoboken to build is upward.

I love Hoboken, too. But Hoboken has a serious cramming problem.

Tris

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Why are some of you convinced Hoboken is part of Jersey City?

Is it the same blinders that make some of the people in Newport believe they're really in New York?

....very puzzling

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Well if "it's cost us dearly" then Why is Hoboken which really is part of JC doing so well? Maybe downtown can join in with Hoboken we can call this area Hudson City.

Hoboken & Hudson City has a nice ring to it all the waterfront from the turnpike east. We can share their services and pool our money! Then we'd get deat cops and safety!


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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Thanks for the suggestion - sounds like a very interesting read. I'll give that one a go...

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Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
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Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
If, let's say the city broke up into Downtown, Bergen, Greenville, JSq/Marian, The Heights, etc. would any of these new cities have fewer people than places like Guttenberg or East Newark? Smaller may work better.


I strongly encourage you to read New Jersey's Multiple Municipal Madness by Alan Karcher, the former Assembly Speaker. It's a terrific read, and it explains exactly why the fragmentation of New Jersey into many tiny municipalities has cost us terribly.

It's one of the best books ever written about New Jersey, and one I think about almost every day.

Posted on: 2004/10/4 21:26
the adventure starts here!
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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Vote the bums out! We must vote!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Cash cow to exploit? If anyone's exploiting Downtown, it's the politicians - who are most certainly keeping the take for themselves. I live in Marion, and haven't seen improvements in years. The city services are a joke, and half the time I have a complaint to call in I'm made to feel like a total ass - left to take care of services that the city should be doing by myself.

Face it - Downtown is practically immaculate compared to so much else of JC - it's like a different world there. If you think your taxes are used to make any kind of change or improvement to the majority of JC, let me take you on a good walking tour.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
It sure isn't that easy - it's nearly impossible to revise city political borders. Still, I don't see how secession translates to "getting rid" of the rest of JC. They would be their own city and our late mayor's race baiting would achieve its deserved result - first priority for the non-waterfront neighborhoods. Of course such a burg would not have the downtown cash cow to exploit. I suspect that this is a big part of why you find it offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:
Oh, Lord - now I've heard it all - I've seen and heard plenty of elitist Ward E attitudes regarding how far superior the downtown area is to the "balance" of Jersey City, but a desire to secede - now, that says it all. It just smacks of "well, we really don't like the other wrong side of the tracks - let's just get rid of it altogether, by forming our own city!" It's not that easy...

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
...oversensitive people on bulletin boards who have no sense of sarcastic humor don't seem to be in short supply.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
No 'commies' or minorities allowed!!!!!

then you'll have to go. thankfully, outspokenly racist jerks like you are a dying breed around here, definitely a "minority".

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Yeah! Lets do it! From Hoboken to the North down to the southern edge of Liberty State Park (WE get the park!!!) and from the river back to the turnpike with a huge electric fence running under the turnpike!!!!!

Sort of like our own 'checkpoint charlie'!

No 'commies' or minorities allowed!!!!!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Sorry, I should have added - Why is this under real estate, I'd like to see it moved under General Discussion where more people might see it and present their ideas.

Punch

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
I have thought about this for years. When the waterfront was still weeds and abandoned railroad track. I never thought of it as elitist - just an issue of management. I think that smaller, community based governments might work better. Maybe we need more accountability and community input at the ward level. Maybe we need stronger volunteer programs. Maybe we just need elected officials who are competent and who care. Secession is an extreme response.

If, let's say the city broke up into Downtown, Bergen, Greenville, JSq/Marian, The Heights, etc. would any of these new cities have fewer people than places like Guttenberg or East Newark? Smaller may work better.

Punch

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Hoboken was never part of Jersey City.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Oh, Lord - now I've heard it all - I've seen and heard plenty of elitist Ward E attitudes regarding how far superior the downtown area is to the "balance" of Jersey City, but a desire to secede - now, that says it all. It just smacks of "well, we really don't like the other wrong side of the tracks - let's just get rid of it altogether, by forming our own city!" It's not that easy...

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Yeah lets do it, Hoboken was part of Jersey City!

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Anonymous
Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
What a wonderful brainstorming idea?

Should Ward E Downtown Jersey City ditch the balance of Jersey City and take responsibility for its own future? Any practical issues to address or obstacles to making this a reality?

Pros - Cons?

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