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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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by thelimey on 2009/6/3 9:46:43

from where does a 26.12% \"EQ ratio\" originate?


speculation/wishful thinking?


No. It is comes from the office of the State Treasurer who calculates it every year based on the change in the median sale prices of homes in each City.

Look in the column \"RATIO\" on the row for Jersey City 2008 on this table:

http://www.hudsoncountytax.com/html/RatesRatios.aspx

Just as an FYI, \"GEN TAX\" is the all-in tax Rate for each municipality.

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this would make the most sense to me.. however from reading others\' firsthand experiences with the reval from last time, i tend to believe that taxes would likely go up more than $200 per year.. maybe $2000 per year is more likely


The problem of a huge increase arises only for homeowners whose homes have appreciated significantly more than 400% since the last reval. Indeed there will be people with this situation.

Also the City will probably sneak in a rate increase into the mix since they can politically claim they are \'cutting\' the tax rate from 5.52% to say 1.65% instead of a natural correction point of 1.44%. Incidentally, the new condos have all been paying at about 1.65% of sale price so this is likely what the city will surreptitiously hike the new rate to.

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Where can I find my properties assessed value?


What does your last bill say? Otherwise call the City Tax Assessor.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:58
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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wibbit wrote:
calm down all you folks with pitchforks. I think granting further abatement reductions should be judged on a case by case basis. The argument that if you grant the first one it will open the floodgate is bogus as the city can always say no to it! .


I suppose this is theoretically true. But the city's track record stinks, and that has to be taken into account when judging these decisions. The bottom line is that in Jersey City, developers have assumed that they have abatements as of right.

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If a high rise building like crystal point is running into real danger of failing, then they should be bailed out by the city because otherwise it will be stuck in legal limbo for at least a year and the city wont get any payment at all on top of eroding confidence from potential buyers across the area, and may end up lowering the abatement anyway. In this particular case, the city should just wait and see, and if they do grant abatement it needs to have conditions for example x % of the units must be sold by certain date, forcing the developers to lower the price.


At one point, the City just has to bite the bullet. Repeatedly giving approval to overpriced and overbuilt luxury towers distorts the housing market. If this means that a couple of projects are put on hold for a few years, then so be it. Let development continue when developers competently assess the market and build appropriately.

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Now those guys who developed crystal point are pretty stupid. In today's market, instead of cutting back to bare essentials and have a significantly lower maintenance cost like gulls cove and A condo have done, they went all in. Really half of their "luxury amenities" are useless fluff - if i wanted a massage i goto a real spa, and why the hell would i want someone to park my car in my own home, so everytime i take a short drive to the supermarket now i have to wait for the attendant to get my car on top of dealing with tipping them etc.. what a bright idea. Do they really think this is manhattan's luxury with all 7 figures buyers.


Exactly. So why bail them out?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:56
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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Erin

You should have immidiately grabbed a phonebook and went to the Veterinarian section in the yellow pages to look for a 24 hour animal hospital before asking people on JClist.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:53
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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HOw about Crystal point put the rest of the Affordable housing there....that would completely fill up the place!
They can get the Offsite affordable money from the other developments at the waterfront that have to comply by COAH and be done with it! .........by affordable meaning a condo would go from say, 600,000 to 250,000.....

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:49
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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from where does a 26.12% "EQ ratio" originate?


speculation/wishful thinking?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:46
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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Erin maiden there should be more compassionate people like you. I have gone through this where there is no help for animals. WE've had to do "home remedies"...!

God bless you.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:45
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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Nice response from JClisters. Thank you for being there to care and give of your hearts.

Erin - You did everything you could for the poor cat - I hope that brings comfort to you.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:44
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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thanks everyone.

after last night, i really want to get involved. I heard there's a trap and release program out there to have these poor cats spayed. Does anyone have the contact information? i just don't want to have this happen to another neighborhood kitty.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:37
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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JCLAW wrote:


In Real Dollars
------------------------------------------
Your home's original value
$75,000

Current JC Tax Rate
5.552%

Your Current Taxes = $4,140 / year

Your home's new value
$300,000

Current JC Rate x EQ Ratio
5.552% x 26.12% = 1.44%

Your New Taxes = $300,000 x 1.44% = $4,320 / year


this would make the most sense to me.. however from reading others' firsthand experiences with the reval from last time, i tend to believe that taxes would likely go up more than $200 per year.. maybe $2000 per year is more likely

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:32
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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Where can I find my properties assessed value?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:10
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Re: Send some Jersey City kids on the trip of a lifetime!
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also, a follow-up:

"The art show will be up all month, and LITM is also hosting the acclaimed documentary, Trouble the Water on Saturday Afternoon at 1 pm." (c/o RockitDockit)

http://www.troublethewaterfilm.com

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:09
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Re: Send some Jersey City kids on the trip of a lifetime!
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This was an amazing event for an amazing organization. Having raised my daughter in New Orleans, the benefit of exposing our youth to such a fascinating culture, music, art and otherwise, is beyond measure. My family is looking forward to helping out any way we can.

Laissez les bon temps roulez!

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The New Orleans Louisiana (NOLA) Preservation Society provides music mentorship to students in Jersey City. This work culminates in a trip to New Orleans.

To fund the trip NOLA invites you to:

REBIRTH: AN EVENING OF ART AND JAZZ
Where: LITM 140 Newark Ave.
When: Tuesday, June 2. 7PM

Posted on: 2009/6/3 13:03
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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Poor kitty... so cool that people care enough to try and save it though.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 12:54
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Re: Rent a Hall in Jersey City?
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Or the Polish Veterans Hall. Maybe they rent there's out...?

It's on Jersey/ Seventh Street.

Or, there is the Grassroots Community Space on Fourth/ Coles.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 12:50
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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How extremely giving and compassionate of you as well as those who offered assistance. I?m feeling really good about the human race right now.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 12:36
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Re: Hamilton Park Farmer's Market Starts Tomorrow
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is there a list of vendors that will be there?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 12:30
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Re: JC Gets Money $4.6 Mil to Repave Newark Ave Between Coles & Tonnelle! (Also Sip; Kennedy to Bergen)
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Our city government is backwards on so many levels. Columbus is quite wide so why a dedicated bike lane is not part of the description is very shortsighted in my book.

Healy wants us on public transportation. Period.

Bikes out sold cars in the 1st quarter of 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/oeqlnoQuote:

alanwright wrote:
There's no "bike bloc" to lobby or push for it. Where an agreeable voice or sympathetic ear exists in City Hall... they may be alienated or irrelevant to the "powers that be."

Cyclists: do you feel safe on the roads? What do you want? And is a bike lane on Columbus something you're willing to push for?

From young folks and commuters on ten-speeds and cyclo-cross; to high schoolers and flatlanders on BMX; to chicks and dudes on cruisers; to moms and pops with seats for the wee one; and of course there's food delivery guys and laborers; and then there are the fixed-gears cyclists.

There are a lot of bikes in this town. Currently, we get little support, lots of scorn, and a disproportionate amount of risk! (Selfish drivers don't help).

Something has to change. We can't simple "change" the culture of driving, but this is a great opportunity the share the road!

Posted on: 2009/6/3 12:24
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Re: Hamilton Park Farmer's Market Starts Tomorrow
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My pleasure PCHOPS.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 11:14
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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This will be brought up tonight at the City Council meeting when they vote on the new Animal Control Commission ordinance.

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the way Animal Control functions now. We cannot have animals hurt and suffering and left to die in our streets.

My heart goes out to you and I thank you for being a good citizen and for putting yourself out to help this animal.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 10:36
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Re: ANIMAL CONTROL dumps CATs/KiTTENS in Lincoln Park
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The commission will be a balanced representation of all constituents and stakeholders. One of the first recommendations could be for the City to hire additional ACOs since there are so few already.

However, a review of policies and procedures would be the first order.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 10:31
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Re: The Jersey city Music Scene does not support the all ages community
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Straight edge punk would be another constituency with an all-ages message.

I can imagine, for example, if the stage were backed up against the church (another constituency who might wish to bring the community together in a drug and alcohol free way),

Wayne Street gets a bad rap just because there are a few people out on their porches, etc., and there's some music and some hanging around at the park, some young people, etc. Some of these folks are Hispanic. I think Puerto Rican and Dominican, mostly.

But that doesn't mean that the community is not strong, not supportive, or not "welcome" in the city they've been living in for years. The trees make the block dark, but is it unsafe? I think not, but don't know. Columbus is a bigger concern, it seems.

There may be tensions on Wayne Street, but an inclusive event at Barrow Mansion may well be an opportunity to diffuse those tensions. A little community policing could help, too, and the proposal I'm suggesting could be a good spot for the JCPD to flash a smile. The idea seems like something Bright Moment, Jim Legge, or "Tony" would put together, so perhaps you should contact them for more assistance.

Additionally, it would feed the Jersey Avenue markets (pizza, grocery, bagels, Chinese, and coffee shops).

Posted on: 2009/6/3 10:27
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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Can someone explain to me how my property will be effected in a reevaluation? I'm debating moving? Not because of property taxes, but if I can get out before and the reval may effect my bottom line perhaps its time to consider it. Also what is the time frame for something like this? Does it happen in one year or does it happen over many years with the option for people to appeal etc etc.


CURRENT TAXES
----------------------------------------

Assuming your property is not subject to a PILOT agreement, it is currently taxed as follows

Originally assessed value which is the value determined at the last Reval (about 15 years ago)

x

Current tax rate

=

Your Tax Payment

AFTER REVAL
-----------------------------------------

Your property will be re-evaluated based on recent sales data for your neighbors similar homes. You can appeal the valuation or hire a lawyer to do so if you think the city got it wrong. Generally, to avoid fighting with most home owners, the City will value your home at about 80% of what your neighbor paid for his similar home.

The City wide tax rate will be changed from the current rate to something close to the current rate x the current equilization ratio. So going forward the

NEW TAX RATE = CURRENT RATE x EQ RATIO

NEW TAX RATE

x

YOUR NEW HOME VALUE

=

YOUR NEW TAX PAYMENT


In Real Dollars
------------------------------------------
Your home's original value
$75,000

Current JC Tax Rate
5.552%

Your Current Taxes = $4,140 / year

Your home's new value
$300,000

Current JC Rate x EQ Ratio
5.552% x 26.12% = 1.44%

Your New Taxes = $300,000 x 1.44% = $4,320 / year

Posted on: 2009/6/3 10:15
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Re: The Jersey city Music Scene does not support the all ages community
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Yes, your mention of "DancingTony"... brings out another one. What about the steps of Barrow Mansion? (Everyone else is hanging out there, and an all-ages show would be a good way to support the DARE, AA, NA, Al-Anon (teen) message to stay off the junk). Perhaps Barrow Mansion and such groups would work with you to put something together.

If your bands are Christian rock or hip-hop, for example, you'll have another constituency.

I think this Tony guy also organized some bowling at Barrow Mansion. So, there is already a "second venue," namely, bowling, that kids could go to when not listening to the music.

And then, across the street there's a park for shooting hoops.

OK Wayne Street, I just planned your block party, like it or not. See you there!

Posted on: 2009/6/3 9:22
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Re: The Jersey city Music Scene does not support the all ages community
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+1 alanwright!

I've been here ovr 25 years and seen many individuals put on music in many of the venues alanwright mentions below and others as well. I even co-produced an event of over 50 breakdancers performing to a capacity crowd of their teen peers, over 400+, in Middle School 4 several years ago. I encourage you to continue to produce your events at any venue you can find, do searches here for churches (St Mary's across from Grace Church also has teen events in their basement area including breakdancers, so try there too. If you have a look at some of the events produced at JC Fridays, you will see other individuals doing music as well. Mike McNamara, photographer and music producer comes to mind as one example. Mike produces the 4th St Festival every year during the annual JC Artists Studio Tour, which runs from like noon till 10 or 11. Dancing Tony also produces music all around JC including Groove on Grove. There is no lack of people doing things here, you just need to reach out to folks, musicians, artists, other producers, venues, be creative, work on marketing, posting events, work on your connections with graphic designers, venues, go talk to the Cultural Affairs people, etc, et al.

Good luck in your productions and feel free to add me to your list: brightmoments AT GMail Dot Com

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The truth of this sad matter is that WE GREW UP HERE
Half of you moved here in the past 7 years into amazing downtown JC, and you haven't the slightest idea what Jersey city was before it became Manhattens spawn.

where is the Jersey City love for Jersey Citys young artists?


Is relitigating the boring new/old discussion really why you posted this? Because it does not seem to advance your interests. Sweeping generalizations... with what purpose in mind?

If you're having difficulty booking all-age shows, I'm sorry, but you're placing the "blame" in the wrong quarters. Whether these venues are new/ old JCzens, I have no idea. But it's those venues, new or old, with whom you should continue your discussions.

For example, perhaps the "newbie" Grassroots Community Space at Fourth/ Coles would consider the idea. Perhaps "Groove on Grove" will provide some input. The new Victory Hall space (on Brunswick) is nice, but I'm not sure what it's being used for. I cannot speak to what Victory is doing lately. The nearby art gallery, Es Oro, also has indoor and outdoor space. Hell, maybe the parking lot at Dixon Mills could work for an all-ages show. Or the Courthouse people. Maybe Metropolis Music Store has some input. Or the basement of The Keyhole. Or maybe the rooftop of/ driveway next to Skinners. (That's actually a good idea, as I've heard that driveway is city property!). Or what about Made with Love bakery. Or in Van Vorst facing east from the covered area.

Or that place in the Heights that was advertising looking for renters for for live music practice spaces/ warehouse jams.

Also, Legal Grounds has a backyard. So does Tacqueria, which seems to love rock music and has a separate entrance to thar yard. Have you contacted them? (They're both a residential neighborhood).

What about Grace Church. Or The Armory. Or 58. Or Lex Leonard. Or Automato Chino for an all-ages show (probably not on Thurs, Fri, or Sat)?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 8:55
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Re: please help= animal emergency
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As Bob Barker put it: be sure to have your cats and dogs spayed and neutered.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 7:46
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Re: The Jersey city Music Scene does not support the all ages community
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Quote:

Thisloveiswar wrote:
The truth of this sad matter is that WE GREW UP HERE
Half of you moved here in the past 7 years into amazing downtown JC, and you haven't the slightest idea what Jersey city was before it became Manhattens spawn.

where is the Jersey City love for Jersey Citys young artists?


Is relitigating the boring new/old discussion really why you posted this? Because it does not seem to advance your interests. Sweeping generalizations... with what purpose in mind?

If you're having difficulty booking all-age shows, I'm sorry, but you're placing the "blame" in the wrong quarters. Whether these venues are new/ old JCzens, I have no idea. But it's those venues, new or old, with whom you should continue your discussions.

For example, perhaps the "newbie" Grassroots Community Space at Fourth/ Coles would consider the idea. Perhaps "Groove on Grove" will provide some input. The new Victory Hall space (on Brunswick) is nice, but I'm not sure what it's being used for. I cannot speak to what Victory is doing lately. The nearby art gallery, Es Oro, also has indoor and outdoor space. Hell, maybe the parking lot at Dixon Mills could work for an all-ages show. Or the Courthouse people. Maybe Metropolis Music Store has some input. Or the basement of The Keyhole. Or maybe the rooftop of/ driveway next to Skinners. (That's actually a good idea, as I've heard that driveway is city property!). Or what about Made with Love bakery. Or in Van Vorst facing east from the covered area.

Or that place in the Heights that was advertising looking for renters for for live music practice spaces/ warehouse jams.

Also, Legal Grounds has a backyard. So does Tacqueria, which seems to love rock music and has a separate entrance to thar yard. Have you contacted them? (They're both a residential neighborhood).

What about Grace Church. Or The Armory. Or 58. Or Lex Leonard. Or Automato Chino for an all-ages show (probably not on Thurs, Fri, or Sat)?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 7:39
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Re: JC Gets Money $4.6 Mil to Repave Newark Ave Between Coles & Tonnelle! (Also Sip; Kennedy to Bergen)
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There's no "bike bloc" to lobby or push for it. Where an agreeable voice or sympathetic ear exists in City Hall... they may be alienated or irrelevant to the "powers that be."

Cyclists: do you feel safe on the roads? What do you want? And is a bike lane on Columbus something you're willing to push for?

From young folks and commuters on ten-speeds and cyclo-cross; to high schoolers and flatlanders on BMX; to chicks and dudes on cruisers; to moms and pops with seats for the wee one; and of course there's food delivery guys and laborers; and then there are the fixed-gears cyclists.

There are a lot of bikes in this town. Currently, we get little support, lots of scorn, and a disproportionate amount of risk! (Selfish drivers don't help).

Something has to change. We can't simple "change" the culture of driving, but this is a great opportunity the share the road!

Posted on: 2009/6/3 7:05
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Re: Smoking in bars and restaurants
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places with a yard/ patio would work fine if they allow it:

* Barrow
* Golden Cicado
* More
* Hamilton Park Ale House
* "Simple"
* rooftop of Skinners?

Posted on: 2009/6/3 6:30
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Re: City Council to Renegotiate Abatement For Developers
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Fisher Development Associates...
"Within the last 10 years alone has developed more than 3, 500,000 square feet of new construction and approximately 2,000,000 square feet of tenant installations. The company's distinguished portfolio in the New York/New Jersey region spans thousands of residences, plus many millions of square feet of prime Manhattan and New Jersey office, retail and hotel space."

Fisher Development Associates have been developing throughout the biggest boom in the real estate market. Now they have one bad year. I doubt that they are suffering.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 6:29
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Re: The Jersey city Music Scene does not support the all ages community
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almost all of the all ages places i grew up going to and played at in bands seem to be gone throughout nj. we used to book legion halls to put on shows but a lot of them started banning the shows when things got out of control or too many incidents occurred. what a shame.

Posted on: 2009/6/3 6:22
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