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Re: Trump Our New President
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President Trump did a great job putting the disgusting national news media in their place in this afternoon's press conference.

Next step is to root out the treasonous leakers in our intelligence services. They're undermining our national security and it will end.


Thanks to the news media and these leakers, treasonous Flynn was fired. Otherwise, he would still have his job and be a threat to national security...


Wrong, as usual.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/article ... sination-of-michael-flynn

Posted on: 2017/2/17 5:40
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President Trump did a great job putting the disgusting national news media in their place in this afternoon's press conference.

Next step is to root out the treasonous leakers in our intelligence services. They're undermining our national security and it will end.

Posted on: 2017/2/16 19:49
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is it true that scumbag wants to gut the endangered species act. i hope this is not true, but if so, i wonder if supporters of jill stein and the green party wish they had rallied behind hillary clinton?

the us is not france with run-off elections, it's time for supporters of 3rd parties to smarten up and stop wasting their vote. And yes, i would be saying the same thing, if trump had been a democrat and he was running against a republican hillary or mitt romney....


Probably not true... but the Left needs to keep their their fascist anarchist street thugs frothing at the mouth since it has been relatively peaceful in the streets after the the 9th Circuit ruling.


Thank you for comment, BigGuy. We know all liberal democrat progressives brains linked together by invisible wire (this was on gateway pundidiot so must be true! If one progressive acts bad, all at fault.

Trump is GREAT MAN! So what if he sought help from Russia to win election? Likely didn't make a difference, but at time Hillary looked strong. This is hangable offence (treason, colluding with enemy). Our great president must suspend constitution to stay in power. Democracy over rated anyway


I love how the liberal political hacks hadn't said one bad word about Russia, until they thought Russia was hurting Her.

Then, overnight, Russia morphed into the Bogeyman for them.

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Do I recall some JClisters disputing the problem / dangers of distracted motorists on cellphones and the like ... you need 100% concentration when driving a car, that means no cellphones, coffee, food or even earphones with music playing. Driving is a privilege not a right and you have a duty of care to other road users ... especially pedestrians and cyclists.

This ass should spend time in prison as does the passenger for driving off and not providing assistance


What you may recall is the simple fact that neither drivers, pedestrians, nor cyclists follow the rules of the road at all times. All three can be particularly egregious in their transgressions.

But I agree that this driver should be locked up for a LONG time. Maybe the passenger too, for not reporting the crime.

Posted on: 2017/2/15 18:36
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Ms. Santos' GoFundMe page (to collect money to pay off her school debt) indicates "many of the stories" circulating in the press are fabricated. Hmmm.


These stories come from people who say they watched the videotape.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the person who set up this page was just saying that because they didn't want to discourage donations. Also, since this happened right next to the twin sister, who went to the hospital purely for her mental trauma, I wouldn't be surprised if the sister is in denial of what happened, because accepting the truth could literally kill her.

I trust the videotape and can't think of any reason why these people would be lying. It's certainly not to discourage a lawsuit, because then the tape would come out anyway. However, even assuming that the person who set up this funding page is lying, it is still a very sad story.

Posted on: 2017/2/14 4:30
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Hopefully there will be more thought into ensuring JC's infrastructure can keep pace with the exploding development.

Posted on: 2017/2/14 1:01
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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

POLL: Travel ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders

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I am not. I was actually talking about;
- Abortion rights
- Background checks for gun ownership
- Tax distribution...
- and so on...


Sure. Well, if you take an introduction to civics class, you'll learn that these types of policies are enacted through legislatures and the courts, not through the ballot.

However, a local decision such as whether Jersey City should be a lawless sanctuary city could certainly be put on the ballot. And, if Jersey City is actually at a real risk of losing federal funding due to their grandstanding, I would argue they have a moral right to put the question on the ballot before we all get punished.

Posted on: 2017/2/9 4:34
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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.

Posted on: 2017/2/8 22:52
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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Letter to the editor posted on line:

Forfeit salaries if sanctuary city raises taxes

I am asking our elected politicians who believe Jersey City is a sanctuary city to put their money with their statements.

If the president withholds federal funds to Jersey City as well as the local school system, I am asking you to give up your salaries. Why should my taxes go up for the statements you make?

My former school had a front row seat to the tragedy of 9/11. My students were traumatized by these events and drew scenes of airplanes crashing into buildings and people falling out the buildings before they collapsed.

My childhood was different, I drew flowers in window boxes or parks, not scenes of death and destruction.

This is not about immigration but the protection of this country. So, will you make a pledge to give up your salaries?

YVONNE BALCER
JERSEY CITY



This is a good point. If anything, the question of whether Jersey City should be a lawless sanctuary city should be put on the ballot. Why should these "progressive" grandstanding politicians force everyone's taxes to rise just to score political points with their brainwashed constituents? If a majority of voters decide this that's one thing, but I don't think the majority of people actually support this...

Posted on: 2017/2/8 21:30
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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Luckily for America, the important people already know this. We've won, and President Trump will continue enacting measures to make us safer.

Let these bitter, nasty "progressives" on this site spew as many lies as they want. Doesn't matter, they lost.


When you say "wewonwewonwewon" often, it appears as though you care more about winning than good policy.

This is further proof that political discussions are nothing more than glorified sports debates. Fans root for their own team regardless of the information (on both the left and the right).


I've been very clear about what I mean if you've been paying attention.

The very policies that are the subject of this thread were on the ballot, and the side that wanted to implement them won. That means they get implemented, barring action by the courts.

I think this is very good policy and the American voters agree. There's really no point in discussing further. Neither side will convince the other and for good reason: this stuff was the subject of an 18+ month campaign and has been analyzed in detail for the American voters, who already made their decision.

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Luckily for America, the important people already know this. We've won, and President Trump will continue enacting measures to make us safer.

Let these bitter, nasty "progressives" on this site spew as many lies as they want. Doesn't matter, they lost.

Posted on: 2017/2/7 17:32
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Quite honestly this seems to be opening in a timely manner. Many businesses in the past took much longer to get through all the red tape. The most famous being atomic wings. Looks like Fulop has streamlined some things.


Or they greased the right palms right away.


I'm not Fulop's biggest fan, but I think that poster is right that this is a point for Fulop.

Posted on: 2017/2/4 20:57
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Milo is a scumbag.

But Trump just took all the white supremacist groups off the terror watch list.

So much for condemning the KKK.


Hey, I wouldn't be happy being a member of the party of violence either.

Also, you're spreading fake news. He reprioritized a program that was designed to counter all violent ideologies so that it solely focuses on Muslim terrorism. This makes sense, unless you've overdosed on "progressive" propaganda, because white supremacist groups haven't exactly been committing very much violence. I'm not aware of any, but if there's a smattering, it's certainly not worth devoting resources that could be used to counter Muslim terrorism.

However, in light of recent events, I think President Trump should consider putting these violent liberal groups on the list, because they clearly are a threat.

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JCMan8 - I understand your point perfectly, I just don't agree with it. Even if the situation you describe was reality, I still wouldn't paint all conservatives with such a broad brush. You may think it would fair to do so in that situation, but I would still argue it's never fair to do that.


I didn't paint you with the brush, I painted your party. There is a big difference and I agree it is a slimy tactic to attribute bad qualities of your side's extremists to you.

You do not condone the violence and of course I believe you.

It is the Democrat party that is the party of violence, just as how the Republican party would be the party of violence in my KKK example.

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Yes I read it, but repeating yourself isn't going to make your case any stronger.


I will make it easier for you to understand.

Imagine things were reversed in this country and the KKK was even 1/10th of the threat that the Left pretends they are. Let's say that it was culturally acceptable for the KKK to start angry riots, like it is for liberals.

So let's say that a black liberal speaker was scheduled to speak at a university, but the KKK was outraged that a black liberal could dare be allowed to speak like this. In this alternative world, there are a lot of KKK members like there are violent liberals.

And the mayor decides to tell his police to back off and do nothing. Let the KKK run wild. This results in many videos of them brutally beating the shit out of innocent black people and other minorities, along with starting fires and looting stores.

Instead of reacting with outrage, the mass conservative media says, hey, they're the KKK, we don't control them. What do you expect us to do? Maybe that black guy shouldn't have spoken. And Republican politicians say nothing, not even to the mayor for welcoming this to happen. And celebrities also don't care.

If you then wanted to paint the Republican Party as the party of violence, this would be completely fair, even though there were plenty of Republicans that were not KKK members. That's the present situation but for liberals, who belong to the party of violence.

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You didn't understand my point. Please read my post again.

I understand your point perfectly, but when liberal mayors order their police to stand back and do nothing while violent liberals beat up Trump supporters, and liberal celebrities and the media say absolutely nothing about this, it is fair to paint the Left with the broad brush as being the party of violence.


I guess this is where we part ways then. I'm of the opinion that you would never use such a broad brush to talk about large groups of people. If you want to discuss specific examples, and instances, then I'm all for it, but you weaken your position by making such general statements.


Did you read my initial response to you?

I already gave you two specific examples. The mayor of Berkeley and the mayor of San Jose both ordered their police to stand down and not try and stop violent liberals from beating up Trump supporters.

The liberal media didn't care about what these mayors did, and neither did liberal party leaders or celebrities.

So the blame is not just on the violent children, it's on the liberal adults. And the other liberal leaders close ranks to sweep this welcoming of violence under the rug. This is why it is fair to paint with a broad brush to describe liberals as belonging to the party of violence. Not all liberals want the violence, but the party welcomes it.

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I think you both missed my point. What I was trying to say is, you know that these violent protesters represent an extremely small portion of the people that have been protesting around the country. The overwhelming majority of protest Do I condone their behavior? Of course not. What they were doing is criminal, and they should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. If I was there, I would have been denouncing it right then and there.

Next time try to be a little more open minded about things you disagree with, and try not to use such a broad brush. Otherwise people might get the wrong idea about you.


You didn't understand my point. Please read my post again.

I understand your point perfectly, but when liberal mayors order their police to stand back and do nothing while violent liberals beat up Trump supporters, and liberal celebrities and the media say absolutely nothing about this, it is fair to paint the Left with the broad brush as being the party of violence.

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Agreed! Its the left that needs to denounce this behavior. If so many libs opposed the riots as Azul suggests. Then where is the outcry from the Hollywood elitists? Why isn't De Niro Streep Damon Baldwin all denouncing those actions. The rioters seem to be the ones city the voice right now. Maybe we should see how Rev AL feels about this?[/quote]

Well these are two separate points.

I agree with this one, obviously, in that the Left doesn't really denounce this behavior. More of a wink and nod.

But the point I'm making is that liberals in an actual position of power, like the mayors of the two cities I linked, actually ordered the cops to stand back and let the violent liberals beat up Trump supporters. Far worse, in my opinion, and the picture I linked speaks a thousand words.

http://m.imgur.com/l2kdhhz?r

So liberals belong to the party of violence. Individuals like Azul may well be opposed to the violence, but his party welcomes it.

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Can you please stop lumping in the violent little children with the rest of the left? I know they are on the left, but it is an extreme view point not shared by most other liberals. Just like all conservatives are white supremacists and in the KKK.

You usually don't lower yourself to such tactics. I thought you were better than that.


There is a major distinction between the KKK and the violent little children of the left. While the right condemns the KKK in the strongest possible terms, the left condones their violent actors.

That's why the Berkeley mayor ordered the police to do nothing, as the Left rioted, violently beat Trump supporters, and looted stores.

Video of one of many violent beatings:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/ ... conscious-berkeley-riots/

Picture of what the police were doing at the time, following their liberal mayor's orders:

http://m.imgur.com/l2kdhhz?r

This is also not the first time a liberal mayor ordered his police to do nothing so violent liberals could beat up Trump supporters:

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/moments/738560687853690880?m=1

So no, the extremists on both sides are not equivalent. I haven't heard any Democrat politician viciously denounce the Berkeley mayor for what he did. Own the fact that you are of the party of violence, or, at the very least, denounce your media which obviously condones such tactics by covering for the Berkeley mayor and other examples I posted, which you probably never even heard about.

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OK she misspoke. It happens. The bombers were from Bowling Green. Do you really think we are better off with this?


http://www.activistpost.com/2016/05/t ... lary-clintons-mouths.html


Comrade, you are getting soft! Kellyanne NEVER mispoke...EVER!

Kellyanne always tells the truth. Her truth! Trump Truth! America First truth! America had liberal democracy for too long! Good riddance!

All these liberal democrat progressives will soon understand what the truth is!


Considering they violently rioted in Berkeley to stamp out speech they didn't like, and pepper sprayed a conservative speaker at NYU in the face last night, "progressives" are more interested in trying to violently stamp out the truth than anything else.

Keep on supporting the party of violence, but Trump has a country he's working on making great again.

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Something tells me there is no JCWoman8...


Or JCSocialLife8. This dude is a misery and has dedicated 100% of his spare time to being a Trump troll on a local city forum.


Wrong on all counts. Not surprising coming from the guy who boasted that "literally all the intellectuals" were on his side, omitting his side's historical rejection by the American voters.

And I'm sure you saw the violent liberal riots in California last night. Face it, you guys are on the wrong side of history. The Supreme Court picks will ensure this.

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so scumbag threatedned to send the us military to mexico to take on the "bad hombres". wtf

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-t ... ens-send-u-234404938.html


You are a victim of fake news, which is rampant in our mass media.

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So California now would like to expand its sanctuary status to include the whole state. Basically they are unwilling to notify the government when they arrest an undocumented individual. Any recipient of a grant has to comply with federal law. By not complying they risk losing $330 billion in federal funding. Great idea Tulip. Let's try it.


They have a big mouth, like our city currently does. But just wait until they are pressed and they'll crumble.

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Here's a good article on the subject I read the other day. Many of these "progressives" aren't worried that Trump is a Hitler type figure. They subconsciously want that to avoid admitting they were as wrong as can be.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/15654031 ... h-for-especially-if-it-is


Hitler is simply the most infamous point of reference in terms of Mr. Trump's tendencies. The comparison is unavoidable, and many people who want to demonize him are going to use that reference. They're probably distracting themselves with an irrational projection as well, if that suits you. I have plenty of hope that Trump and Hitler will never share any important Wikipedia entries.

Still, along with many past world leaders that history reflects poorly upon, Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler share an unmistakable appeal to the dark side of human nature. Thanks to pioneers like Freud and Jung, we know quite a bit about this aspect of the unconscious, our shadow, despite its entire purpose of remaining hidden. We didn't see Mr. Trump's victory coming, and in hindsight that makes sense, but at least now our dirty secret is out.



I have a feeling you are not a psychologist, but are quite skilled in your chosen profession.

You really shouldn't quit your day job.

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Obama had a two year ban on political appointees from lobbying; President Trump not only put in a 5 year ban, but a permanent ban on any of his administration officials EVER lobbying on behalf of a foreign nation. Rather refreshing, and something both sides can support, right? And he supports term limits.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to oppose President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is the next Hitler.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to support President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is our fearless leader.


You imply I'm not ok with reasonable opposition.

The main objection, shared by all Trump voters, is the unending hysteria and tantrums that "progressives" are engaging in. And like I said, they do this for just about absolutely everything he does.

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'Angering our allies' 'like China and Mexico'?

Since when is China our ally??


at least since WWII


Just for the record for you silly progressives who are worried about history repeating with Hitler > Trump comments;

China was never an ally.... Mao was to busy butchering millions of his people, plus invading Korea to bolster the original Krazy Kim Franchise.

Mao, Stalin, Castro are the American Left's favorite Cold War butchers, but they still keep Hitler as their boogeyman of choice.

"Remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" John Belushi RIP


Here's a good article on the subject I read the other day. Many of these "progressives" aren't worried that Trump is a Hitler type figure. They subconsciously want that to avoid admitting they were as wrong as can be.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/15654031 ... h-for-especially-if-it-is

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And the echo chamber stuff is obvious. You [JSleeze] and many "progressives" receive all of your information from like minded sources, which largely ban the conservative point of view, which leaves you disconnected from reality.


You have no idea how fascinating psychology is, do you?


Oh, I'm well aware of your proclivity to misuse the term "projection."

Fact is, it's very difficult for a conservative not to be exposed to the liberal viewpoint nowadays. It's crammed down everybody's throat via most mass media outlets. "Progressives" are far more likely to be victim to echo chambers because they simply aren't exposed to dissenting viewpoints.

This is confirmed by numerous studies that demonstrate conservatives understand liberals FAR better than the reverse.

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JSleeze, you didn't limit your false accusation to a "specific threat," you claimed "or similar rationale" along with the lie that the only rationale behind the order was an "I don't like the looks of those guys."

This was clearly wrong, as I proved, and you obviously didn't read the order. Not surprising. Your attempt to backtrack now would only be applicable if you didn't say any of the things I bolded, and only limited it to "a specific threat," in which case I would not have made my comment.

So nice try.

And the echo chamber stuff is obvious. You and many "progressives" receive all of your information from like minded sources, which largely ban the conservative point of view, which leaves you disconnected from reality.

This effect was most obvious during the elections, as your echo chamber convinced "progressives" about the fabled "Blue Wall." Your posts indicate you continue to be very much immersed in your echo chamber because you say ridiculous things like "the snap back from this failed experiment with authoritatian know-nothingism is going to make Bernie Sanders look positively centrist."

Yeah, if you spend all your time on HuffPo, I can see why you'd think that, but everyone else knows how ridiculous that is. Theres a civil war going on in the Democratic Party between the Hillary wing and the Sanders wing. You are clearly in the latter group. My money is on the Hillary wing winning.

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I have read the executive order. The only "threat" it mentions is that the rest the world is going to hell, and that means scarry people are going to want to come to the USA. No specific threat. I've taken the liberty to post the actual text from the executive order that pertains to the "threat".

Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.

In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.




The ignorant and incorrect claim was that no threat or similar rationale was advanced in order to support the executive order, apart from an "I don't like the looks of those guys" type of thing.

You quoted some, but not everything in the executive order that directly contradicts that. Here is the rationale advanced in order to support the executive order:

The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.

Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.

In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

. . .

Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include the development of a uniform screening standard and procedure, such as in-person interviews; a database of identity documents proffered by applicants to ensure that duplicate documents are not used by multiple applicants; amended application forms that include questions aimed at identifying fraudulent answers and malicious intent; a mechanism to ensure that the applicant is who the applicant claims to be; a process to evaluate the applicant's likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society and the applicant's ability to make contributions to the national interest; and a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politic ... n-ban-refugees/index.html

Also, are you aware that 6 of the 7 countries targeted by the order are all listed in the top 9 countries in the Global Terrorism Index?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Index

Iran is the only one that is not listed in the top 9.

So, I don't expect you to support Trump's executive order, but there was plenty of justification behind it apart from "he didn't like the way they looked." It is evident JSleeze didn't spend 2 seconds to actually read the executive order, though I'm sure he'll never admit it. Just an ignoramus.

Posted on: 2017/2/1 2:09
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