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Re: Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini -- convicted of bribery
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Is she still eligible to draw from city retirement and health benefits or do those terminate with the conviction as well?

Posted on: 2010/2/13 19:52
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Re: How much to tip for food delivery?
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I always like to consider weather conditions. If your having someone deliver you food because the weather is nasty try to keep in mind this person is spending most of their day in it. throw a couple extra bucks and show appreciation to someone who is just trying to make a living by making your life easier.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 19:25
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Re: Furloughs coming for Jersey City workers; Mayor Healy to take pay cut
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Quote:

FGJCNJ1970 wrote:
An Open Letter to Mayor Healy and the Jersey City Council regarding the FY 2010 Budget and impending tax increases that I will be mailing them on Monday.
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Bravo! beautiful work! You've made some fantastic points. Especially with the health care, vacation, and sick time issues.

I hope this wakes them up!

Posted on: 2010/2/13 19:19
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Re: How much to tip for food delivery?
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$2 to $5 depending on the quantity of the food and amount of the bill.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 19:19
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Re: How much to tip for food delivery?
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15%-20% is absurd. YOu're not getting the service of a server nor the ambiance of dining at a restaurant. They are delivering most items within a 5 mile radius (more like 1 mile actually). No need to tip more then $3-4 bucks.
If it's a small order that totals around $15, I would tip $2 at most.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 18:23
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Re: Furloughs coming for Jersey City workers; Mayor Healy to take pay cut
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An Open Letter to Mayor Healy and the Jersey City Council regarding the FY 2010 Budget and impending tax increases that I will be mailing them on Monday.

Dear Mr. Mayor and Jersey City Council Members.

I am writing this letter because of my deep concern over the FY2010 budget that was introduced recently and the impending humongous Property Tax increases that will result. Increases that are over and above the 11.25% tax increase that was already imposed on us back in July 2009 at a 5 o?clock ?rush-hour? council meeting that had little to no advance notice, so that no one would show up.

Well I was there in July, and even spoke at that council meeting. I said, ?The People of Jersey City are hurting?. Many of us, myself included, have lost our private sector jobs during this ?Great Recession?. And despite what the pundits are saying on Wall Street, things have not gotten better and the CHANGE we were promised ? both nationally, and here locally in Jersey City, HAS NOT COME. The only change we have gotten, has been in our taxes? Up and UP and AWAY.

Unfortunately, while I am still out of work, since October of 2008, and have had to do my own cutting back and significant belt tightening, I have not seen the city do ANY cutting whatsoever. It?s business as usual there at City Hall. Bloated Budgets, ?Do Nothing? bureaucracy and now corruption that reigns the day. There has been no sacrifice at City Hall or with our municipal government. You find it easier to just raise taxes on the citizens than to make tough choices.

At the last City Council meeting that I attended at the end of January, it was quite obvious; not one of the city council members had really spent any time with the budget. In fact, the budget in places looks just like 2009 actual numbers carried over. Frankly, I think someone was lazy when putting it together. And apparently, with the exception of maybe Mr. Steven Fulop, everybody else is just ?Yes? men and women to Mayor Healy and don?t have the true interests of the citizens of Jersey City at heart when they approved this budget. You are supposed to represent ?US? the people of Jersey City. This FY 2010 budget that is 7 months late is not representative of the People of Jersey City and it does not have our best interests at heart.

While I?ve seen the recent stories about the 4 firehouses being closed? and how seasonal workers are now being let go, really? this is a big shell game. It?s the same as usual. No one lost his or her job with the four firehouses. If you read the Jersey Journal article closely, they were all conveniently ?reassigned?. And I believe ?firehouses? share physical facilities with ladder companies and other emergency divisions? so this will result in no savings absolutely whatsoever. It?s a paper accounting trick. And those seasonal jobs ? they are seasonal for a reason?. They?ll be back just in time for next year I?m sure. And the 12 furlough days that Jersey City?s had? With a union subsequently complaining and crying foul? Try being out of work completely for a year and 5 months with no income and no health insurance. It sucks, so stop complaining.

Instead of continuing to tax and spend our way to fiscal destruction, what we need are real cuts. Significant cuts. Layoffs at City Hall and at every government agency and entity needs to take place until we get a balanced budget that does not impose hefty tax increases on us, the citizens of this fine city. To start, all those political appointment jobs and patronage positions have got to go.

Finally, Mr. Mayor, City Council members, since you can?t do it right, let me help. I downloaded the Jersey City budget that was submitted and, since I have some time on my hands, I have reviewed it and I have some suggestions for you. But, until this bloated budget is amended with BIG cuts?. It cannot be passed in its current state.

Here are my suggestions?. Starting with expenses first.

Health Care and Retirement Pension Plans.

These have to be addressed. The Health Care Insurance plan for the city should be sent out for re-bid from multiple insurance providers to ensure the city is getting the best deal. $69 million is INSANE. Stop offering expensive ?Cadillac? plans. Additionally, like the private sector, city employees should start to have to pay co-pays. $5 co-pays for prescriptions and $20 co-pays for doctor?s visits are not going to hurt anybody. Time for JC employees to start chipping in like the rest of us. The free ride for city employees has to stop. Retirement Pensions need to be looked at as well ? especially for police and fire as it?s now upwards of $34 million and growing. City employees need to start making more contributions ? similar to employees in the private sector.


Accumulated Vacation and Sick Days.

This is on Sheet 3C. THIS IS INSANE! Jersey City employees have 265,942 days that they need to take and it?s costing us almost $74 million dollars in 2010. Negotiated through ?Approved Labor Agreements?. Time to re-think this big time. Many private sector employers have USE IT OR LOOSE IT vacation and sick day policies. Jersey City needs to follow suit. Other municipalities across the US have switched and Jersey City should too. Otherwise this will continue to be a big liability. Plus, sick days are supposed to be sick days ? 3 or 4 a year when sick. You should not be allowed to take extra sick days because you weren?t sick 5 years ago.


OTHER EXPSENSES

This line item appears over and over and over again in the budget. 54 TIMES to be exact. What are these OTHER EXPENSES? There needs to be more significant cuts in other expenses versus 2009. The Office of the City Clerk?s expenses went up $7,000. But there are some real whoppers. ?Other Expenses? for the Management and Budget Office (Sheet 13, line 256) went from $48,475 in 2009 to OVER $337,000. What?s going on here? That?s a huge increase. Cut here now.

Are there really over $1,284,000 in other expenses in the Engineering Office? REALLY? It?s down from 2009, but should be cut more.

Other expenses in Information Technology are $1,452,200. CUT THIS Big time. Hold off on computer purchases. Computers should last 3-4 years easily. I?m positive IT Other Expenses can be cut more. Check out the new Best Buy for sales. Renegotiate all IT contracts for cost savings.

Other Expenses in Collections is up about $16,000. And other expenses for the TAX ASSESSOR jumped by $146,100 versus 2009. How bout some BIG CUTS for the Tax Assessor?s office versus big tax increases.

The Law Department?s Other Expenses (Sheet 15A line 396) has swelled to $1,021,500. Up over $36,750. What are these new legal expenses? Take away their photocopier or whatever it is that is running up their costs.

Building and Street Maintenance. Yes, ?Other Expenses? are down here from 2009, however at $1,611,800, it?s still a big amount. Not sure we?re getting our money?s worth here either.

Automotive Services (Sheet 15C, Line 416). More cuts need to take place here. At $2,452,700 this is a big amount for ?Other Expenses? I have a suggestion, the City Council can start by turning in their cars. Also, limo / car services need to be cut. Also, older cars in the fleet should be gotten rid of and more fuel efficient cars obtained. But this could be cut more. Limit use of personal cars for city work. Buses, jitneys, PATH, Light Rail and walking all are acceptable options for transportation.

?Other Expenses? for Health (Sheet 15D, line 511) shot up by $55,000 to $666,091. What happened here? Are we really healthier?

?Other Expenses? for Fire at $1,415,700 and for Police at $2,589,400 while down slightly from 2009, still seem excessive. Can?t more cuts for non-essential ?other expense? take place?

In TOTAL (from sheet 25, line 60023-11) OTHER EXPENSES have jumped dramatically to $67,563, 374 up from $44,505,338. That?s a $23 million increase. Instead of raising our taxes, cut ?Other Expenses? back to 2009 levels.

OTHER AREAS THAT CAN BE CUT ? from Sheet 16 & 17

- ATM - Aid to Museum and AAM - Aid to African American Museum can be cut more
- 879 - Municipal Publicity has jumped to $64,000 from $30,000. Cut this back down.
- 880 ? Other Advertising ? cut more
- 881 ? Celebration of Public Events ? organizations need to cover more costs
- 884 ? Professional Affiliations ? Cut here. What are these affiliations anyway and what do we get?
- Ambulance Service ? jumped to over $3,540,000 from $3,344,000. Maybe send 3 ambulances instead of four? And shouldn?t accident insurance be covering some of this?
- Electricity ? turn off the lights, get motion sensors, switch light bulbs to energy saving CFLs or LED lights.
- 888 ? Gasoline ? take away personal cars, get rid of gas guzzling SUVs, renegotiate contracts.
- 887 ? Office Services, this jumped by $57,000 from 2009. Cut, cut cut.


Revenue Generation

Now, once the ?Other Expenses? category has been cut, the other side of the equation is that Jersey City needs to really focus on raising revenues through fees and other charges and levies?not through increased property taxes. Here are some thoughts as overall, revenues are flat or down in the FY 2010 budget.

- Issue more Alcoholic Beverage Licenses ? there are many restaurants without who I know want them. Make sure existing licenses are renewed.
- Lets get more people married.
- Cable TV Franchise Fees need to be increased for more revenue to the city
- Start Charging more in Advertising Ordinance Fees
- Why are there ZERO Demolition fees? Don?t permits have to be issued? I know demolition is going on all over the place.
- Increase Hotel Occupancy Taxes?. Many new hotels around
- Sewer and Street Opening Revenue is down yet development continues. Raise fees on developers.
- Vending Machine Licenses? I see vending machines all over the place, but we only get $23,688 in revenue?. Time to bump up fees and enforce.
- Food Establishment Licenses?. Make more available, but charge more also. Let the food carts operate wherever?. For a ?location? fee of course.
- Hotel and Motel Licenses ? Charge more
- Dine and Dance Permits. We only got $7,100 in 2009 and the same amount is budgeted for 2010. Hit up those nightclubs. Charge more for fees.
- Elevator inspection fees?. Up the fees?. And hit the downtown commercial and residential high-rise developments with lots of ?elevator inspections?
- Site Plan review fees. For FY 2009 we got $444,515, but are only now budgeting $300,000. Why? Increase fees here to adjust for lower volume.
- Increase Parking Lot License Fees, Street Parking Permit Fees and increase Parking Lot Taxes. We have great public transportation options. If you have a car, you can pay a little more for the privilege of parking it.
- Uniform Construction Code Fees also need to be increased.

Other items such as grants are missing (See Sheet 5). Jersey City is on track to be New Jersey?s largest city with the 2010 census, yet I see a big ZERO for the Municipal Homeland Security Assistance Aid. What? This could really help offset our bloated police and fire department budgets.

Additionally, we are receiving ZERO funding for the UEZ Police Program. Last year we got $1,345,045 in revenue from this. Also, no revenue for Neighborhood Preservation programs. What about revenue from NJDOT? In 2009 we got $1,250,997. 2010 is ZERO. (Sheet 9)

Why are we not getting a UEZ business relocation grant again this year? No Safe Routes to Schools money either. Last year we had $1 million and $250,000 respectively.

What happened to the $85,000 for seniors that came in in 2009. It?s gone for 2010.

In 2009, we got big money - $2,628,175 for the Urban Area Security Initiative Grant ? Fire. This year ZERO. We also have no money from the Metropolitan Medical Response System ? Fire. In 2009, we got $321,221.

No Safe and Secure Communities funding either. In 2009 we got $392,823. On Sheet 9C there is no revenue coming in for Senior Nutrition. The year prior we got $1,148,932. No Clean Communities Revenue either.

Apparently no one at City Hall is working to get all the Federal, State and other grant monies that are available. Why? WHY? WHY?

Why is revenue from Recycling Tonnage down significantly? Down over $117,000. I know you guys are inspecting for recycling violations? you cited everyone in my condo. So where is the money from recycling?

Revenue from fees to offices such as Harbor Plaza IV, and V and South pier are flat or down. Why? If anything these financial services companies should be charged more fees.

And, finally?. For all those who got 5, 10, 15 and 30 year sweetheart tax abatements (Sheets 10A ? 10G) and make Payments in Lieu of Taxes (PILOTs), where money is diverted from our schools and the county. Lets create a new fee just for them? especially if they are sending their children to our public schools.

Call this new fee the ?Gold Coast & Luxury Living Educational Assessment Surcharge? This fee should be a percentage of the difference of what they are paying in their PILOTS and what they would pay normally in regular real estate taxes. It is unfair that those with abated ?luxury? properties don?t have to pay for our local schools and other services they receive from the City and County municipal governments.

CONCLUSION

Mr. Mayor, City Council Members, you MUST revisit and fix the 2010 budget. There are major issues with the budget as it currently stands. If you focus of significant cuts to ?Other Expenses?, and then focus on revenue generation through increased fees for services and other areas you can halt the need to raise large property taxes on the citizens of this city.

If I can go through the budget and see things that look out of line, surely you can do a better job at refining the budget. Go back to the drawing board and revise this budget to cut spending. You can also look at Salaries and Wages, which in certain departments have increased as well - despite a hiring and raises freeze that was supposed to be in effect.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. I will be at the City Council meeting on February 25th to again protest this budget that will result in crazy property taxes. Please fix it now and resubmit.

Respectfully,


FG

Posted on: 2010/2/13 18:21
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Re: Downtown: Building next to the new Crescent Court collapses
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Quite a regular


Regarding this portion of the article:
"although it's not clear how much of the building was taken down intentionally by workers and how much came down of its own accord."

The front of the building is the portion that collapsed (the 2nd street side where you see the JCFD looking at the building in the pic). A majority of the building had already been gutted over the last couple of weeks prior to the front/face of the building collapsing. Just in case anyone wondered

Posted on: 2010/2/13 18:13
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Re: Furloughs coming for Jersey City workers; Mayor Healy to take pay cut
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Quote:

MikeZ wrote:
I have a sneaky suspicion that if I go back to the office of the Construction Code, the dozen people who sit around and do nothing but ignore homeowners all day will still be there.


Guaranteed. The slackers are not going anywhere. I visited the tax office about my increase and the lazy girl that waited on me wanted to send me down the hall for abated properties. There is no abatement. Where did she get that, cuz she didn't even look up my address on her computer. She just wanted to get rid of me and go back to doing nothing.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 18:08
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Re: Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini -- arrested in FBI sting -- resigns from board position
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JerseyCityKid08 wrote:

Do we even need 2 deputy mayors??



No we don't. A damn waste of our money! Do away with her position, salary and any staff that supported her. It's the mayor's job to fulfill the role of a mayor.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:53
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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Quote:

SICULO wrote:
Why is it that towns, cities, nations, with a homogenous make up are less violent?
In one word: inbreeding.

http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1 ... &resnum=4&ved=0CCQQsAQwAw

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:30
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Re: Please don't park in crosswalks
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Why didn't you take any pictures and post them here? It would be nice to have a hall of shame.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:27
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Re: 500 school staffers call out sick for half-day session; Epps not critical, but McCann fumes
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If these guys would not benefit from the pleasure and protection offered by tenure, they would have shown up. This is why public service trade unions - such as the teachers' union - are one of the biggest problems.

There are a lot of teachers out there, and many are very dedicated to education and students, but tenure provides perverse incentives, and these incentives are perpetuated through the unions. I am not attacking them, nor questioning their professionalism. I am simply making a point that the protection public service unions have gained compared to the lack of employment protection in the private sector, leads to odd incentives.

For full disclosure, in my previous life, I had the pleasure of spending several years in academia, in a tenurable position, where the perverse and costly effects of tenure were evident.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:25
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Re: Stop the Jersey City Tax Increase - petition
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Thanks for the bump.

Up to 859 now, so anyone who has not signed yet, should do that.

Also, share it with your friends, neighbors, and anyone you know who lives in Jersey City.

Even those who are renting will feel the impact of this tax increase.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/s ... ey-city-tax-increase.html

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:20
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Re: How much to tip for food delivery?
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I guess I've been wrong all these years, but I always tip 15-20%. They're not waiters, but they've had to drive in the rain and traffic or whatever to get to you. To give them a few bucks for all that time on the job just seems wrong.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 17:06
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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How much do you think these Security Guards get paid?

Around $10 p/h is my guess.

Why would they interfere? Like those Security Guards in Seattle,

http://abcnews.go.com/US/seattle-teen ... ds-watch/story?id=9800478

they're probably instructed to stay on the sidelines and call the PD.

By interfering, it brings Civil Liabilities onto them, AND the Security company. So if you think security guards are there to actually do anything, you got a lot to learn.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:56
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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i was there last night and left the food court right before it happened. you can definitely feel something brewing with all the kids by the movie theater. they were so out of control before the fight. one of the female security guards was talking to the teenagers, but they were totally ignoring her.
they absolutely need police presence up there.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:55
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Re: Please don't park in crosswalks
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Quote:

Saradove wrote:
Please don't park at crosswalks, especially with all the snow piled up. Walking home from the Grove Street PATH station last night I came upon two cars parked smack-dab at cleared crosswalks.

Maybe I should start carrying an indelible marker to leave notes directly on the offending autos.


Even without the snow, parking in the crosswalks or too close to the corner is a constant problem. There is no consideration for pedestrians including mothers with baby carriages and handicapped in wheelchairs.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:55
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Re: Retail in Hamilton Park
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I'm looking forward to new businesses opening around Hamilton Park. If they have good products and services I will patronize them. I would not compare the goods available at the mall with items generally carried by boutiques. I would be unlikely to buy a gift at a mall store, spend my tax refund at the mall, or have dinner in the mall food court. I think the residents in the Hamilton Park neighborhood are changing every day. There seems to be more and more people here who are attracted to small independent businesses. I think Smith and Chang are well aware of the changing market and are hopefully prepared to ride out the beginnings of this transitional time.

For the record, I find the food and service at the Embankment inconsistent and sometimes just disappointing.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:53
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Re: PUBLIC NOTICE’s like the JC SFY 2010 Municipal Budget
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The public notice is buried within the jj. Something as important as the city budget should be plastered on the front page of the city of JC site. Citizens should not have to dig for this information. As for other expenses, the budget defines them as "Materials, supplies and non-bondable equipment; repairs and maintenance of buildings, equipment, roads, ect; contractual services for garbage and trash removal, fire hydrant services, aid to volunteer fire companies, etc; printing and advertising, utility services, insurance and many other items essential to the services rendered by municipal government." That really helps! I can't imagine breaking these down would be such a hard task. What I would like to know is what the process is for getting these "other" expenses approved.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:49
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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Quote:

Move to Utah. I'm sure there are far, far less of those "ewwww" types in Salt Lake City.


Ewwww.......Mormons.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:49
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Re: New York Times: Breaking the Ice, by Design (The Social Saffron - Newark Ave & 1st)
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Let's say you do hook up/date someone for a while that you meet at your residence? If the relationship doesn't work out, you still have to live in the same building as your ex. blech.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:43
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Re: How much to tip for food delivery?
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EXACTLY. They are not waiters. No way on the percentage. 3 to 4 dollars and that's it. You came, you saw, you dropped off food, you leave. Nowhere near what a waiter does.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:41
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Please don't park in crosswalks
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Please don't park at crosswalks, especially with all the snow piled up. Walking home from the Grove Street PATH station last night I came upon two cars parked smack-dab at cleared crosswalks.

Maybe I should start carrying an indelible marker to leave notes directly on the offending autos.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:30
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Re: Furloughs coming for Jersey City workers; Mayor Healy to take pay cut
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Many of these people were hired for the sole reason to get their vote and their families vote. City workers during election time were told vote you and your family must donate to Team Healy's campaign and vote for Team Healy, otherwise you will not have a job. well he did keep one promise to them, now they don't have a job.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:26
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Re: Retail in Hamilton Park
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Quite a regular


The food at the HP Ale house was passable for a quasi-sports bar, and not that much worse than White Star. And the environment was much better since you could actually watch a game and not feel like you were sharing a table with the rest of the bar.

I wonder what excuses people have for not going to The Embankment. I feel sorry for those guys, since the people of HP clearly don't know a good thing when they see it and would rather complain on a message board about off the leash golden retrievers and too many TVs at a sports bar.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:20
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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Just can't stay away


Why is it that towns, cities, nations, with a homogenous make up are less violent?

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:19
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Re: Furloughs coming for Jersey City workers; Mayor Healy to take pay cut
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seasonal and provisional employees? No doubt the people who probably need these jobs the most. How about getting rid of some chiefs instead of the indians? Wouldn't that have more of an effect on the budget both short and long term by cutting the pension and health care liability? How many private companies do you know of that still offer pension plans? Not many I bet. Most have either frozen their pension plans or converted them over to 401k type plans. Move the liability away from the taxpayers!

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:10
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Re: Retail in Hamilton Park
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It was NOT inevitable for the Ale House and Simple to fail. I hear what you're saying about boutiques maybe struggling, but those two eateries/bars did quite well until very recently. But then they made changes that people didn't like. The Ale House added those awful TVs and their food quality went down. Simple's menu and food quality went down too.

I think that businesses like that will do quite well in Hamilton Park, provided they have the right atmosphere and a decent (not 5-star, but decent) menu. People post on JC List all the time looking for a place to eat in HP. A lot of people miss the way those places used to be.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 16:08
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Re: Retail in Hamilton Park
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Quote:
Jersey City is large by NJ standards but it is really only comparable to Flushing or other outer areas of NYC.


Amen to that.

All neighborhoods want a lovely mix of tasteful living. BUT living in the shadow of NYC makes that VERY difficult. A large city sucks the life out of any attempt to make the adjoining "communities" anything but safe places to sleep, if lucky.

Hamilton Park has the double disadvantage of being next to a Mall, many additional huge stores (Shop-Rite, A&P, BJ's, Target, Home Depot, Hoboken Beverage, Best Buys, Buy Rite.
Think hard, has anyone EVER seen a lively area next to a Mall...I have not. I cannot conceive of ANYTWERE, NYC included that has such a concentration of huge retailers in such a small area. What in Heavens name could be left for Hamilton Park?

Those living there should be content with enough of EVERYTHING...anything else is overkill.

I live at Newport and say ENOUGH ALREADY, no more stores! And if I want great bars, great theater, and the greatest restaurants in the United States, I need only jump on the PATH train at my feet. Who needs another retail shop on site?
(And yes, I am the same distance from the Newport Mall as Hamilton Park is.)

Anybody who wants a beautiful bar tthere is the South Shore Grile and Michael Anthony's. They are both dying. Why, because of lack of interest. In spite of being surrounded by THOUSANDS of apartments within a couple blocks. Add Dorrians, Ole, Charley's (now defunct)...all mostly empty and you will see the fate of another bar opening in HP.

Posted on: 2010/2/13 15:57
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Re: Fight at Newport Mall Tonight
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Home away from home


Let us be honest. If this was west Jersey the kids would've simply taking it out to the woods or behind the Burger King parking lot. As far as community centers go? Last thing you want is encouraging kids to congregate in one area. Ask the residents around Grace church about that idea!

Posted on: 2010/2/13 15:47
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