It's not simply a JC thing. Hotels require a Credit card to guarantee a room and additionally to hold as a guarantee of payment in case you take from the mini fridge or decide to take a robe or two. You can choose to pay in cash but most hotels will not take you without a credit card to at least hold in case you skip out with the room's contents. If you don't have a credit card - thy will usually ask for a deposit to cover "incidentals".

Give downtown 10 years and it will be 75,000-100,000 or more with around 20 more buildings more Liberty Harbor which will get up to 20 stories tall as there is around 8-10 different streets for it, 3 or 4 new ones on other conversions around Trump, another building at Columbus and Marin with the 2 there now with my the connecting building was torn down, plus another 5-10 or so scattered around downtown besides the 10 over with Lefrak for Newport. There big buildings being built and yet to occupy at Grand and Marin, Next to the double tree and maybe even another one not mentioning whether it condos or rentals yet. And of course Trump and Gulls Cove have 2nd buildings as well. Besides all the parking lots right by Trump could be a number of more buildings right there.

The size of downtown is at most 1 1/2 the size of Hoboken, since Hoboken is only 1 square mile with all most all of it business only located on 1 street or branching off of it not in several different locations with 4 or so like in downtown Jersey City. They might have less for each one but probably equal if not more with all of them combined.

this is possibly the funniest thing i have ever read.

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Well, that's my point. If you take any neighborhood of 50,000 people, aside from a few spots in the outer boroughs, Downtown JC has much more going on. NYC, as well as JC, is a city of neighborhoods.

If you include Hoboken, and Downtown JC's quick access to it, either by foot or numerous public transportation methods - that's about 100,000 people, in a dense area....with A LOT of things to do. Not to mention a hop skip and a jump into Manhattan. You'd be hard pressed to find a 100,000 person zone with more to do in any of the boroughs other than Manhattan, Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights, and a few other Brooklyn neighborhoods.

It might not right now be the same population in number of residents when putting the number of square miles those have, but Jersey City is more dense than any of those are since it is only like around 14 square miles in size, not sparling like the places you mentioned. The eastern 3/4 or 7/8's of Jersey City is the part with people the remaining besides the shopping centers strip malls has a large tracks of vacant land still available for more growth. The development plans so far are like for 30 to 40 more years of growth. And even the shopping centers there can be torn down for more space and consolidated if need with the size of them. Just take a drive from truck route 1 & 9 and head south onto 440 for all the land available still for growth and it is still closer to get into Manhattan than most of Brooklyn or Queens and definately the Bronx and Staten Island to the jobs. After that drive take Grand Street to Pacific Ave over to Bergen Layfayette section and you will find Garfield right off of Communipaw and there is plenty of land there besides another 2 or 3 developments with plans along sections of the light rail. There are so many different development zone with probably at least 30-40 more buildings approved yet to be seen even breaking ground, some as long ago as 15 or 20 years ago. Besides the number of lots in the Bergen Layfayette section just waiting for downtown to build up a bit more. If you ever do you history on the way things developed it was Manhattan first followed by Jersey City and the Newark after that came those four boroughs. Just look at Long Island City and the buildings there, not really going any where compare to Jersey City. The Bergen Layfayette section is like around 50 years younger than Manhattan is. Of course the public library right on Montgomery and Jersey Ave has a lot of information not just Jersey City but Manhattan and the entire area, besides the old maps lay out thing like a harbor that used to exist and now totally filled in today. Giving individual ideas of size of buildings from 150 years ago in Manhattan and many other things. Jersey City in time will be able to learn off of all those different communities you named. Check out the stores which used to be in Journal Square.

I talked to the agent when that unit first went on the market. As I recall, taxes were not included in the fee and were about $74 per (month or year, can't remember.) Obviously, they will go up substantially in the future. Parking was also not included and was $100-$150 per month I think.

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While I love the many things JC has to offer, to compare even the whole city (let alone just downtown) to the boroughs is a bit delusional, no?

Queens 2,229,000 people
Bronx 1,333,000
Staten Island 487,000
Brooklyn 2,556,000
Jersey City 241,000
Downtown JC < 50,000

I know you'd like to dismiss the up and coming pockets of Queens and the Bronx to make your case, but Long Island City has 183,000 people - three quarters the size of all of JC and probably four times the size of downtown. Downtown JC has a looooooong way to go to rival much of Brooklyn - even if you throw out Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights. A dozen or so blocks of eclectic retail and restaurants (downtown JC) really isn't comparable to many of these other places, is it?

Thank you jmcee.
That inclusion of heat, hot water, and air conditioning, makes the "HOA" more reasonable. (Just for reference, in the SHORE down at Newport the same amenities go for about $650/month for a 2 bedroom...but no parking...$160 or so extra.)
Does the Beacon HOA include parking? If so, that would just about equalize the two.

As we all know these utitilities are of paramount importance in the face of our deregulated monopolistic electricity pricing, currently at $.19/kwhr and climbing fast annually.

Anything on the taxes or 'in lieus" for a 2 bedroom unit?

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Yes, they are included. The owner/tenant pays only for the electricity used by the fan which pushes the hot/cold air into the unit. And for the other electricity for lights and appliances. There are no individual hot water heaters in the units. This is the same setup as Trump where I live now, I pay less than $50 a month in total for utilities there too.

Oh c'mon Xerxes. You're saying there is more to do in Queens outside of LIC or Astoria? More to do in Staten Island, culturally? Bronx? Where? In Brooklyn, outside of the trendy brownstone neighborhoods....where? Show me some neighborhoods.

I have more than a handful of friends in the outer stretches of the boroughs that WISH they could afford to live in Downtown JC.

Have a little pride in where you live. You can always move out, too.

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If I read this right, the heat, hot water, and air conditioning for the Beacon, however supplied, ARE included in the Beacon's monthly HOA fee?
Or not?

Maybe she is a manager at XYZ Realty, maybe she's Boffing Mr. XYZ, maybe she doesn't even EXIST, maybe the other 400 people have opinions but the weren't asked...or were asked and the results were unprintable?
Who knows?


But you said the one thing that made sense:
"they're actually happy about paying less" and that is the SINGLE reason for extolling Jersey City...it's CHEAPER than Manhattan and it is the identical reason that people move ANYWHERE in Hudson or Bergen County. To have a placew to sleep without too long a commute to work.

No, Jersey City does NOT have more than what the outer boroughs have; it has either less or the same...and higher commuting costs, about $100 more (PATH +Subwway) or double that if you are not near the PATH.

The article is a total crock and those who praise it are obviously in the real estate business or have just overpaid for their home and trying to justify it by tossing common sense to the wind.

I don't own the website so all I can do is bemoan the existence of the REAL ESTATE ADS or copies of same posing as genuine forum posts. They aren't any more than a full page ad listing all the prices of 6th Avenue Electronics, or duplicating the weekly ShopRite flyer.

These promoters PAY newspapers to run this bullsh%t...and we repeat it for free. Every time one is posted, I think Danny should get a check.

STOP SNITCHIN'

I used to get basement flooding from the sewer backcharge, not rising groundwater.

Installed a check valve in the line just before it exits the building. Cellar has been dry for over 10 years.

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You mean Haiti because with Katrina nothing was done except to shove Americans out of their commoonity to other pastures. Maybe we can sing a song as they do in Hollywood and the entertainment media to make everything right again.

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Healy doesn't care about black people.

A unified curriculum in science and US history would be a blessing for children in Texas, no?

also facts need to be checked for Dixon Mills.....

'For Dixon Mills was from what friends who lived me told me all the heating and air conditioning was electric so the bill could get high, it might be gas now, but probably not. '


Not true. The hot water for the heat and the cooling for the AC are not part of each unit's PSEG bill but the monthly maintenance fee. The unit owner pays the electric for the fan, and for their personal hot water heater for the hot water in the unit.

The Wiz: *love* the Colgate/Google clock! Meantime, I've applied for JC consideration.

The lack of infrastructure maintenance nationwide is a huge problem and is another manifestation of a culture that is unwilling to invest in things that don't translate immediately into personal gain. The census bureau projects the U.S. population will grow almost 50% from 2005 to 2050 and the trend toward urbanism is expected to continue.

We are struggling with 100+ year old water systems currently - what will happen when cities (particularly in the northeast where density is highest and pipes are oldest) have double their current load?

Small consolation, I know, but JC isn't alone in having an antiquated system and politicians who'd rather not deal with the issue. A good point is made in this article: we pay more (and often glady) a month for cable and our fancy iPhones than we do for water and sewer services.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/us/ ... .html?src=me&ref=homepage

Updated Article on Catrillo and other felons marching in St Pats Parade:

http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index ... lo_2_others_who_plea.html

Well Healy and Gaughan live in the Heights, and presumably the other members of the council live in houses that don't flood.
I'm not sure where the responsibility lies legally, but I think the city shirked it when they sold everything to the M.U.A. I think the money to fix everything will end up coming from our water and sewage charge, and not from property taxes.
But I know I feel better knowing that Gaughan's daughter is in charge.

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What's amazing to me is the fact that you think it's amazing that the lazy, egotistical sham of a government JC offers us hasn't done anything about another major problem.

It should be expected that nothing get done.

Sadly, Healy and his cronies are only interested in planning for the upcoming St. Patricks Day Parade.

Most people, who have lived here for a few years, know that JC has an archaic, inadequate and over-stressed sewer and run-off system. I believe wood is still used in some of them. So, I find it equally amazing that there are no revolts at city hall demanding an explanation and some sort of plan to fix this horrible flooding menace. If I was paying upwards of 20K a year in DT property taxes and I had these flooding issues mixed with sewage every couple of years I would be calling the media and organizing the citizens to picket City Hall.

I guess, like New Orleans, JC will need their own Katrina to get JC and the State to come out from the cave they are in.


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+1!

Amazing that Healy has said or proposed nada to alleviate/fix this problem.

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Well done.

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All this may be true however it is being used as subterfuge to avoid the fact that felonies were committed. Someone else in the Christie Crew may piece of crap but that is not a sufficient reason to get away with egregiously vile, corrupt and stupid crimes. IMHO anyone that takes such a substantial amount of money as a bribe should be incarcerated. There should be no "get out of jail free card" just because the one who caught you with your hand in the cookie jar represents opposing political forces.