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ogden1 wrote:
Cato, just curious.
What do you think these salaries should be?
Do a comparison througout the major cities in the state and let us know your findings.
Do you think Elena Scambia did a bang up job???
Compare her to Epps. Who is better?

Whatever the market will bear.

They are already paid what the market will bear.

How so?

There's a labor market for teachers

There is, but it's not being utilized.

Who Grades the Graders?
March 20, 2010
While we had mixed feelings about President Obama?s plans for reworking the No Child Left Behind Act, he got it right when he called on the states to create credible systems for evaluating teachers and principals. But emulating the small number of schools that already have those systems will not be easy. It will mean creating a new school culture and redefining not just the roles of teachers, but the roles of principals and superintendents.

That message comes through in a study from the Center for American Progress, a Washington think tank that has recently been zeroing in on this aspect of school policy. The study, by the researchers Morgaen Donaldson and Heather Peske, takes an illuminating look at the evaluation systems used in schools in three high- performing charter networks that educate mainly poor and minority children.

Charter schools run on public money but are often exempt from union contracts that can influence how and when teacher evaluations are done. In many conventional schools, for example, tenured teachers are evaluated only once every three or four years. Evaluations typically consist of one or two short classroom visits. Nearly every teacher passes, even at failing schools, and an overwhelming majority get top ratings.

The charter networks have developed a ?culture of accountability,? in which every teacher receives a major evaluation every year. Beyond that, teachers get frequent observations ? sometimes even weekly ? accompanied by detailed feedback throughout the academic year. Student test scores factor into the evaluation, but the teachers are also rated on planning, presentation and whether or not they reach disparate groups of students by exploring material from different vantage points.

Only one of the of three charter school organizations in the study operates union-organized schools. The other two regard teachers as at-will employees who can be released at any time. Nevertheless, dismissal rates are low for all three, partly because they provide newcomers with extensive supports and work to retain them once they master the job.

Doing this kind of work means reallocating resources. Two of the charter networks, for example, have invested heavily both in evaluators and in administrators who shoulder the burden of running school operations so that principals can spend more time helping teachers and attending to the education portion of the job. Given the high tests scores and graduation rates in these schools, these changes have been well worth it.

Eleanor_A wrote:
We were at Lincoln Park today flying hubby's remote controlled helicopter.

It's a beautiful park. I wish Hamilton Park was open but it made us get out of our hood and visit another part of town.

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This meltdown couldn't have happened without the Fed. The market can't overheat without government policies that force easy money into the market.

And Obama was born in Kenya, liberals are really undercover marxists etc etc[/quote

What? Can we stick to the topic at hand?

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As for teachers, no one wants to cut education budgets, but fiscal responsibility still matters.

And of course fiscal responsibility means gutting the public education system, attacking public education workers who are living on 40-60k a year as uncaring pigs at the trough.

DirtMcGirt wrote:

This meltdown couldn't have happened without the Fed. The market can't overheat without government policies that force easy money into the market.

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As for teachers, no one wants to cut education budgets, but fiscal responsibility still matters.

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ogden1 wrote:
Cato, just curious.
What do you think these salaries should be?
Do a comparison througout the major cities in the state and let us know your findings.
Do you think Elena Scambia did a bang up job???
Compare her to Epps. Who is better?

Whatever the market will bear.

They are already paid what the market will bear.

How so?

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FGJCNJ1970 wrote:
Personally, I am glad that this didn't pass.

To get anywhere from a 4.3 to 4.7 % raise is just obnoxious while we're still very much in the Great Recession and so many in the private sector (myself included) have lost our jobs outright.

Giving themselves these generous raises does nothing to help the kids. NJ teachers are already the highest paid in the nation.

Finally, I think there is a LOT of waste in our public schools and a lot of teachers who have their jobs because of that thing called tenure. I'm sick of being taxed to hell for it - and I don't even have kids.

Tenure needs to go. In the 70's when I was in elementary school there were between 30-40 kids in my class with just one teacher. I'm not buying that we have to have a lower student / teacher ratio for kids to succeed.

CUT CUT CUT

FG

How do you feel about all the bonuses being doled out on Wall Street despite the "great recession" and the fact that these same folks have played such a large role in the current economic crisis?

So the way to improve the education system is to cut teachers pay, increase the number of students per classroom and to make it easier for folks like Epps and Mcann to fire and hire teachers (Hey wouldn't it be great if the pols are able to dish out teacher jobs to their friends and family like they do with the police and fire department!!)

No thanks

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ogden1 wrote:
Cato, just curious.
What do you think these salaries should be?
Do a comparison througout the major cities in the state and let us know your findings.
Do you think Elena Scambia did a bang up job???
Compare her to Epps. Who is better?

Whatever the market will bear.

They are already paid what the market will bear.

FGJCNJ1970 wrote:
Our elected officials JUST DON'T GET IT.

CUT THE F**KING SPENDING.

CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT.

CUT SALARIES
MORE LAYOFFS (Mid/Senior levels)
Sell Assets
Fix broken pension system (eliminate & replace)


Get Creative with community organizations to enlist help from free volunteers


STOP SPENDING MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE.

NO MORE ABATEMENTS

I really hope this 2.5% cap on Property Taxes gets passed.

FGJCNJ1970 wrote:
Personally, I am glad that this didn't pass.

To get anywhere from a 4.3 to 4.7 % raise is just obnoxious while we're still very much in the Great Recession and so many in the private sector (myself included) have lost our jobs outright.

Giving themselves these generous raises does nothing to help the kids. NJ teachers are already the highest paid in the nation.

Finally, I think there is a LOT of waste in our public schools and a lot of teachers who have their jobs because of that thing called tenure. I'm sick of being taxed to hell for it - and I don't even have kids.

Tenure needs to go. In the 70's when I was in elementary school there were between 30-40 kids in my class with just one teacher. I'm not buying that we have to have a lower student / teacher ratio for kids to succeed.

CUT CUT CUT

FG

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ogden1 wrote:
Cato, just curious.
What do you think these salaries should be?
Do a comparison througout the major cities in the state and let us know your findings.
Do you think Elena Scambia did a bang up job???
Compare her to Epps. Who is better?

Whatever the market will bear.