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Re: Wow - LSC's Updated Plans for SciTech Scity
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Doesn't the guy in charge of this failure of a museum which closes at 4 every day, make over 400k a year?!


He does, plus another 40K+ in benefits and who knows what other perks. The COO makes 200K+ plus around another 20K in benefits and other perks. Then there are another seven or so Vice Presidents and other high level employees making well over 100-150K per year as well.

On the most recently available Form 990 tax return, the organization lists travel expenses at well over $ 100,000 (it's one location, where do they need to be traveling to so much) and also spent close to $ 200,000 going to conferences, conventions and meetings. They used to use KPMG, a Big 4 accounting firm to prepare their tax returns when a smaller less expensive firm would have done fine (fortunately, this is a change they did make last year).

Total management cesspool with bloated overhead (which used to be worse) that has a long way to go before they can be in the hotel/convention center business - God only knows how bloated things will become and what accounting tricks they will try to hide and/or justify certain costs when that happens.

But it does stay open until 530 on weekends.

Posted on: 2017/3/18 23:10
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Re: Wow - LSC's Updated Plans for SciTech Scity
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Councilman Boggiano said the director of Liberty Science Center makes over $400,000 a year in a salary, more than the salary of the president. If they can afford to pay him a salary like that they the center can afford to pay for land. This is the last large open space in JC and reval is around the corner. The city should sell and place in the budget to soften the blow for the reval.


We all know facts dont matter to you, but... if you are referring to the US President, the salary for the position is 400K, plus many other perks (including a travel account, entertainment account, around the clock security, etc) and it should be noted that many, many positions (particularly those like directors of non-profits, museums, universities, etc) are seemingly paid obscene amounts not because they are complex jobs, but because these people have a proven track record of fundraising.

Many years ago, I read a very insightful article into the practice. For those looking from the outside, it seems like crazy money, but a well known, effective fundraiser that can bring in millions and millions of dollars year after year on fundraising, gifts, pledges, etc. is a better investment for an organization looking to hire a CEO or director, than a relatively unknown person unable to generate that kind of investments and gifts. So, what does it matter if the head of a well known museum is paid 5 million dollars, if he can bring in 100 million in fundraising? Would you rather have a net ~90MM operating income generated by that single person? Or, have 10 or 20 MM ??


You may be right on that, but... there are at least seven other officers & employees of LSC that make well over $100,000 a year plus other perks and benefits, with few if any of them living in Jersey City. Additionally, when Liberty Science Center laid off all of those people back in 2008 when the economy was in bad shape, guess how many of those six-figure officers were laid off? Zero. Did any of them agree to take a salary cut in light of the times? You know the answer. Somehow this place has the money to pay the $ 100,000/200,000/400,000+ salaries, but has to cut people with $ 30,000+ salaries.

Furthermore, of the five highest independent contractors paid by LSC according to their 2015 tax return, guess how many of those contractors were businesses based in Jersey City? You know the answer.

This place has gotten somewhat better but still sorely lacks the fiscal discipline and commitment to Jersey City needed to build their case for this land.

Posted on: 2017/3/17 19:08
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Re: Stop the give away of taxpayers' city owned land. Ordinance 17-023
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having spent a lot of time at LSC with kids I wouldn't bet on a big spillover impact into DTJC restaurants. LSC is an auto based destination. People drive in from the burbs and run their kids around for 3 hours and then pack it up and head home in their minivan or SUV. I think the odds of the average user making the extra drive to DTJC to eat are slim.


Agreed with this 100%


Agreed with this 100% as well. There will be little or no spillover impact to the closest neighborhoods. The place will be a self-contained type of destination and it will be like the casinos in Atlantic City - people will drive right up to it, stay on the site the entire time, and won't leave until it's time to head home and will never venture into the surrounding neighborhoods. Just like Atlantic City. We see how that turned out.

Although the city is ultimately getting paid for this land, who knows how many years that will take. Remember that Journal Square project that the city was supposed to give a low-interest loan for? We saw how that was going to turn out. Oh, and per the earlier post in this thread, I'll go with option #4 as well. Works for me.

Posted on: 2017/3/16 3:04
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Re: Stop the give away of taxpayers' city owned land. Ordinance 17-023
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The City loaned the LSC $2.5 million in 2008 as they were strapped. Who knows if they ever paid it back!


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Did they ever pay back the $ 2.5 million loan, by the way? Does anyone know? Once the loan was approved by the city council, nothing was ever said about it again.

I've expressed my opinion about LSC on other threads and don't feel the need to repeat myself, but I will say that LSC should not be subsidized by Jersey City for several reasons 1) the 100+ "jobs" held by Jersey City residents are mostly dead-end low paying positions. i.e. cashier, janitor, exhibit technician, 2) per the Form 990, none of the highest paid independent contractors are based in Jersey City and 3) if the place ever has serious financial problems to the point where it could be closed, I don't think the State of New Jersey would let that happen. Let the state subsidize that place - LSC brings people into New Jersey, but I don't think it brings many people specifically into the surrounding Jersey City neighborhoods to spend money.

Posted on: 2017/3/15 4:18
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Re: Newport Mall
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The Food Court is alright but that mall is just so ghetto in general and the selection generally sucks there. Too many middle and high school kids running around causing trouble. I don't think I've EVER used the elevators their either. If they ever move, they move very slowly, otherwise the doors are constantly getting stuck from trying to cram too many people into them. I don't know how you'd ever make that place all that great of a mall. Better than the Hudson Mall, but that's not saying much.

Posted on: 2017/3/14 3:59
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Re: Wow - LSC's Updated Plans for SciTech Scity
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What a load of crap. JC will get back money, an unknown amount, IF profits are generated AFTER $78 million is paid back from these 'profits'? Just how much merch do they sell now from the gift shop?

A good accountant can structure this so the LSC won't make a profit for a hundred years, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that JC will continue to subsidize it-now they expect it to pay back $78 million of profits, when JC has been throwing money at it for years??


+1. I couldn't have said it better myself, other than the fact that they couldn't even run the place when it was just a museum, how can LSC run a hotel, school, condos and whatever other crap they think they're going to build there?

Can't wait to see what kind of cost overruns alone this place has when they build it.

Posted on: 2017/3/13 15:15
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Re: Glue Vandalism On Locks
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Here's another inexpensive camera/security system you might try:

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Posted on: 2017/3/12 4:14
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Re: ACME Monopoly Game
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So this time around I accept the pieces and when home open them to see if I won anything instantly. Last week I won a FREE bagel from the bake shop!!!!



Oh yeah - I got a coupon for a free bagel too. Then I went to the bake shop and saw how pitiful the bagels were. I left the coupon there because there is no way I'd want one of those. Maybe Teddy will redeem it and take it to his Bergen-Lafayette Coalition to Feed the Homeless.

Posted on: 2017/3/10 20:17
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Re: Bayonne man steals $3K bike in Jersey City burglary spree, cops say (Downtown)
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I wanted to see the actual bike, rather than his picture. It's great that he's been caught and everything but $ 3000 for a bike? Is it made of silver or something?

For that kind of money, the bike should pedal itself.


Posted on: 2017/3/9 22:37
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Re: ACME Monopoly Game
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How are you guys doing with the monopoly game from ACME? Any winners for any of the prizes? Today I got my 4th piece to win a $5.00 gift card for there.
Anyone else?
Good luck everyone!


Eh... I've filled up most of the monopoly board but of course with every prize it's always one missing game piece (or two or three for the bigger prizes in the center). Getting three out of the necessary four game pieces for a particular prize is worse than not getting any at all. I did get an instant win coupon for a bottle of free aspirin though. Woohoo!

Posted on: 2017/3/9 5:43
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Re: Wow - LSC's Updated Plans for SciTech Scity
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Must be nice, with all the FREE land they're getting from Jersey City to build it. Are we sure we can trust Liberty Science Center to not screw this project up?

Remember some years ago when the city had to bail out Liberty Science Center with an interest-free $ 2.5 million loan? This was because when they expanded their buildings years ago, they had no clue how massive the increased utility costs were going to be. I don't know if they ever paid the loan back either.

Furthermore, let's not forget all the vice presidents the organization has with their extremely bloated salaries and yet they laid off a slew of people who make less than $ 30,000 per year. Yeah, I'm sure they'll do great running a hotel, school, residential community and research facility.


You sound like DanL. This is a fantastic and welcomed addition to the city. Unless you're saying the land should have been sold to the highest bidder.


The land should have been sold to the highest bidder but that's another matter. It will be fantastic if it ever actually gets built and the Liberty Science Center knows what the hell they're doing when they are running it. Given their past track record, I can't see how they can be trusted.

Posted on: 2017/1/6 18:04
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Re: Wow - LSC's Updated Plans for SciTech Scity
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Must be nice, with all the FREE land they're getting from Jersey City to build it. Are we sure we can trust Liberty Science Center to not screw this project up?

Remember some years ago when the city had to bail out Liberty Science Center with an interest-free $ 2.5 million loan? This was because when they expanded their buildings years ago, they had no clue how massive the increased utility costs were going to be. I don't know if they ever paid the loan back either.

Furthermore, let's not forget all the vice presidents the organization has with their extremely bloated salaries and yet they laid off a slew of people who make less than $ 30,000 per year. Yeah, I'm sure they'll do great running a hotel, school, residential community and research facility.

Posted on: 2017/1/6 17:32
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Re: Secaucus Boy Kicked Out of Scouts Because He's Transgender (Petition)
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I must mention this a third time, please don't consider me a troll. I don't agree with Yvonne's logic and beliefs at all, but I say the Boy Scouts did him a favor by kicking him out.

Just look at all the controversies associated with Boy Scouts over the years, all the volunteers who were sex offenders who have somehow gotten past the screening process and molested a lot of young boys. When that has happened again and again, the national office in Texas just shrugs and says each troop operates independently.

While nothing ever happened while I was in Boy Scouts (though one of the assistant scoutmasters was a real dick and acted like it was army boot camp), I will not let my son be a part this organization, where it is men working around young boys. My own child and this kid from Secaucus are better off in a co-ed organization like Campfire, 4-H or Young Marines.

Furthermore, Scouting in so many other countries is co-ed, the fact it is only for boys in the USA continues to create problems, but there's no way the Girl Scouts organization would ever agree to a merger with BSA.

Posted on: 2017/1/5 19:07
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Re: Car stolen from front of my house on York St.
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Time to be less politically correct and more on guard. If something looks suspicious act on those senses...if they still exist. Many towns are pricing people out in order to weed out desperate people. Less rental properties and absentee landlords would assist in this situation as well.


How does a town specifically price someone out?


When property taxes start to get too high, and when they get calls every day from realtors and developers presenting attractive all cash offers they just can't refuse (while not everybody will want to sell, some people ultimately get seduced by a high enough offer, however short-sighted it may be). Or, when there are families from a particular class of people (i.e. middle, lower middle) who don't live there in the first place but their particular income range used to be able to move in and buy or rent in a particular town just can't afford to anymore. Look at New Brunswick for example. It was a place I was considering buying in 12 years ago when it looked like I might be switching jobs; now, I doubt I could afford to buy anything remotely desirable there, despite my higher income and assets.

Posted on: 2017/1/3 0:24
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Re: Secaucus Boy Kicked Out of Scouts Because He's Transgender (Petition)
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in today's world, i say let people be what they want to be eventhough i agree that a man will NEVER know what it is to truly feel like a woman and vice versa and most men or women will never know what it feels like to hate the sex they were born with or assigned,

maybe there should something like all-scouts that is open to all


There already is more than one type of such organization.

There's CampFire USA, 4-H, Young Marines and the Boys & Girls Clubs. All of them co-ed organizations that don't have any issues with atheist, gay or transgender individuals being members. All of them with an all-around better track record than the Boy Scouts of America organization. I'm sure they have their issues and flaws but I've never heard any horror stories about kids getting molested in them like I've heard with the Boy Scouts. You have men and women working with young boys and girls together. With Boy Scouts, it's men with working with young boys. Sorry but the latter combination just seems like a recipe for disaster.

Posted on: 2016/12/29 0:52
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Re: Secaucus Boy Kicked Out of Scouts Because He's Transgender (Petition)
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Not agreeing with Yvonne here but the Boy Scouts probably did him a favor by kicking him out. In about five years, regardless of how this person looks and what kind of support they get or don't get, they will be glad not to be associated with the Boy Scout organization. I was in Boy Scouts until age 14 and just hated it in so many ways. We had a troop leader that worked the hell out of us like it was the army or something on the camping trips and it was no fun at all. Furthermore, rather than learning to survive in the woods, I've since mastered this great concept of finding an inexpensive hotel with electricity and running water. It works out much better for me. Also, rather than being able to start a fire by rubbing sticks together, I've got a great thing called matches.

Furthermore, BSA has a total lack of control over the individual troops and the rap sheets and controversies associated with Boy Scout troops is a mile long. No matter how much screening and safeguards are taken, you hear story after story about all these perverts that somehow weasel their way into the organization and end up molesting one or more of the boys. The Girls Scouts organization has no such record.

Bottom line here - this transgender is better off going to a co-ed organization like 4-H or Campfire that welcomes everyone and has both males and females running the organization.

Posted on: 2016/12/28 22:39
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Re: Merry Xmas, Mayor Healy
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Um, why is former Mayor Healy passed out naked sitting on a stoup?



Because he was an airhead with a drinking problem who thought himself to be above the law. A few other things to mention about Healy... Bradley Beach, and Kevin Freibott. I'm sure others know more

Posted on: 2016/12/26 20:16
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Re: Fastest and least costly way to get from JFK to EWR?
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If you would like to travel between airports seamlessly, not have to deal with carrying luggage while changing trains, there is the NYC Airporter. It costs $ 28 and is probably slower than the train, because you're going through traffic but it's a straight shot - airport to airport.

https://www.nycairporter.com/ourservices/newarkairportshuttle/

Posted on: 2016/12/21 19:23
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Re: Who is "Yvonne"? Please be respectful...
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If you want to get to know Yvonne, go to a city council meeting. She isn't hard to find. I actually think she is very devoted, means well and I even agree with her most of the time, it's just the fact that she and a few other individuals (some of whom read this board and know who they are) feel the need to get up and ask questions or comment about EVERY single resolution before the city council, sometimes asking multiple questions and dragging a city council meeting that could have been two hours into a four hour or longer saga. There's another person with the initials N.R. who also does a lot of it and pisses me off to no end - even though I agree with her most of the time too!

It's their right to do that of course, but I find it extremely rude, unnecessary, self-serving and inconvenient to us who need to get back home and put the kids to bed and have a longer commute to work in the morning. They all think they speak for their neighborhoods or even the general populace but that's all a load of crap - they would be on the other side of that city council table if that were the case.

There was a resolution to put time limits on speaking but sadly it was defeated. I don't go to these city council meetings much anymore, maybe in another decade or so when my kid is in college, thanks to these so-called "community activists" who have an unending hunger for self-aggrandizement meeting after meeting.

Posted on: 2016/12/18 22:04
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Re: Is JCLister Stringer a bot?
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No, I drink with Stringer all the time.


Oh yeah? What's his/her personality like? Do all the conversations consist of telling you news stories? Just wondering. I had a friend who was a radio announcer, and his voice became dead silent every time I drove under a bridge when he was riding in my car.


Posted on: 2016/12/13 5:38
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Re: 25-year tax break on tap for new Downtown Jersey City tower
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If the amount of property taxes assessed on this building would normally be $1.1 million per year (and even that seems low), Jersey City could build and fund plenty of its own schools with a few years of that tax money. I actually agree with Yvonne here, the school being in the building is just a ploy to attract residents and the developers won't pay any of its operating costs once they transfer to the city.

Downtown developers should not be getting ANY tax abatements in downtown - there are plenty of developers who would build there any pay the full amount of property taxes. Journal Square, Greenville or the Heights would be a different story.

Why do they keep doing this with downtown?

Posted on: 2016/12/10 19:59
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Re: Tractor trailer crashes into gazebo in Hamilton Park
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Looks like the truck was more badly damaged than the gazebo. Maybe the guy had issues with his employer and that's why he did it on purpose.

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Re: Parking tickets not received
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These people might be able to help you out, but the fees are only worth it if you're seeking to have the entire ticket voided -

www.parkingticket.com

In my opinion you do have a valid case to have the entire ticket voided given that you had a ticket issued and then it disappeared.

Posted on: 2016/12/3 2:04
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Re: STARBUCKS: HOMELESS SHELTER (Grove)
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Well, I have won the fight against the homeless and the store being filthy. .


For a few weeks anyway. It will eventually be back to its same old condition, I guarantee it.

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Re: STARBUCKS: HOMELESS SHELTER (Grove)
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That Starbucks was overrun by the homeless and "office-less" long ago. It was bound to happen, given its location. The place may be overrun but management probably doesn't care, given the steady stream of customers at the register.

Given the numerous other places not too much further from the PATH that I can get a coffee and sit down, I voted with my feet (literally, by walking just a little further). You might as well do the same.

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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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From the NY Senate website:


Alright, you've quoted a reliable source and was well aware that the children of illegals have a right to public education in the United States.

But I'd really love to know some statistics on the volume of welfare benefits received by illegal aliens. I can't imagine it being that substantial nor do I think there are very many leading a lifestyle like the one you described for Joe Illegal. Most illegals from what I've seen are large numbers cramped in small apartments and barely getting by after they send money back home. They are not exactly living a lavish or anything close to a middle class lifestyle. Illegal aliens are certainly a problem but I think it is greatly exaggerated by the press and politicians. There are a lot of jobs out there that would never get filled and businesses that couldn't survive without them (i.e. restaurants, car washes, cleaning, etc.).


The costs of illegal immigration (via job competition, taxpayer funded free education, free emergency healthcare, and free local, state, and sometimes federal benefits) far outweigh the benefits (a fraction of them take jobs that are on the books and pay taxes into programs that they presently cannot collect, such as social security).

If a business can't survive without paying below-minimum wage (because that's why you'd hire an illegal), it quite simply may not deserve to survive. After all, isn't that the argument "progressives" make in response to conservatives' objections to raising the minimum wage?

Also, I suspect it is fear mongering to assert that these businesses wouldn't survive. These jobs would get filled, only by Americans, and most likely at a higher wage. The owner would simply make less profit.

If you read the NY Senate explanation for why illegals receive state and local benefits even though they are not legally entitled to them, I'm not sure there are any sort of reliable statistics. All they need to present is fake ID, which is easily obtained, and it's not like the government is keeping track of the difference.

I suspect the only sort of statistics you will find will be partisan. Either from some liberal think tank who wants to produce some rigged study that supposedly shows illegals are actually a great benefit to the economy (which flies in the face of common sense), or from conservative sites like this one, which claims that illegals receive more welfare than American families.

Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ill ... -families/article/2590744


I'm not saying I totally disagree with you about the cost of illegals, but I don't think you can easily substantiate the statement that the costs of illegal immigration far outweigh its benefits. Furthermore, to simply state that businesses would make less profit without employing illegals and instead employing Americans is also a pretty simplistic statement. There are plenty of jobs out there that could easily be filled by Americans who choose to simply work the system and receive government benefits rather than work, and that is not the illegals' fault. There are plenty more Americans that are simply unemployable as well, i.e. mentally ill, disabled, etc. and also cost taxpayers a lot. Yes, illegals cause problems and cost tax dollars, but if all of them were deported immediately and the border with Mexico was heavily fortified, the lack of low-cost labor would cause plenty of problems too.

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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Caj, you are mistaken about at least this point:

"Also, how does Joe Illegal get food stamps and welfare or a federal rent subsidy? Illegals get instantly deported if they apply for benefits although I'm guessing you imply that Joe Illegal can falsify his family's identity or something."

In fact, illegal immigrants can receive benefits, which is a huge problem, compounding the problem caused by illegal immigration itself.

From the NY Senate website:

What Benefits Can Illegal Aliens Receive?

"Education. As a result of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, states are required to provide K-12 public education for students without legal immigrant status. "

"Mental Hygiene. Hospitals have a responsibility to treat patients with emergency medical conditions, including mental illnesses."

"Welfare. Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them."

"A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.

Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits."

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/arti ... an-illegal-aliens-receive


Alright, you've quoted a reliable source and was well aware that the children of illegals have a right to public education in the United States.

But I'd really love to know some statistics on the volume of welfare benefits received by illegal aliens. I can't imagine it being that substantial nor do I think there are very many leading a lifestyle like the one you described for Joe Illegal. Most illegals from what I've seen are large numbers cramped in small apartments and barely getting by after they send money back home. They are not exactly living a lavish or anything close to a middle class lifestyle. Illegal aliens are certainly a problem but I think it is greatly exaggerated by the press and politicians. There are a lot of jobs out there that would never get filled and businesses that couldn't survive without them (i.e. restaurants, car washes, cleaning, etc.).

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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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This might be a bit of an exaggeration but it makes a point and seems relative to the discussion.

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.



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I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but the analysis doesn't completely make sense to me. Perhaps I'm ignorant here.

I was with you until you got to the part about health insurance coverage. How does Joe Illegal get "full coverage" for free from medical and dental clinics, and even if he does, is the quality of care all that great? As an illegal, Medicaid is out of the question.

Also, how does Joe Illegal get food stamps and welfare or a federal rent subsidy? Illegals get instantly deported if they apply for benefits although I'm guessing you imply that Joe Illegal can falsify his family's identity or something.

Also, what is that separate insurance for $ 200 per month you're talking about since Joe Legal is already paying $ 600 per month for health insurance? Is that car insurance?

Posted on: 2016/11/19 2:27
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Re: Trump Our New President
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135jc wrote:
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caj11 wrote:
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JCMan8 wrote:
Caj11, to the extent those stories do not involve bankruptcy, and involve business owners who performed good work (this seems to be disputed in several cases), then I agree there should be no problem paying what you originally agreed. To the extent he was a deadbeat, no one's perfect.

Regarding your second point, I totally disagree, and frankly don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Not sure why anyone would. I care about enforcing the border, helping Americans get put back to work, and fighting against political correctness. From your attitude, it seems you have preconceived notions how his presidency will go, and you may not give him a fair chance. Hopefully you reconsider.



Two things -

1. Do you pay your bills in full and on time? I do. I agree, nobody's perfect, but Trump has story after story of not paying his bills and his imperfections have made lives difficult for a lot of people in New York and New Jersey. They have essentially subsidized Trump's limousines, helicopters, yachts and airplanes. If he has ANY heart at all, he'll sell some of his assets to pay the money he rightfully owes that wasn't discharged in his bankruptcies. I don't care how long ago these debts were incurred - better late than never.

2. Regarding enforcing the border, do you think that his delusional plan to build a wall between the US and Mexico will do much to solve the illegal immigration problem? Even if he is successful in building the wall, then many of the undesirables will just stay here rather than go back to Mexico after they've earned enough money. The porous border between the US and Mexico is not an ideal situation, but I think a wall would probably make things worse. Furthermore, if Trump has such a problem with illegals WHY did he hire them when he was building the Trump Tower?

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

Or at his modeling agency?

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/31 ... egal-immigrants/21463003/

Seems like it's all right for him to use illegals when it benefits him personally, but when he runs for and becomes President, he advocates for their deportation because of course that's the ideal political stance. I'm sure there are still illegals working in his hotels and resorts today - you are never going to staff your entire housekeeping department without them. Talk about hypocrisy.


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/5706
Here you go end of discussion.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/ ... io-trump-vendor.html?_r=0

Not quite.

Posted on: 2016/11/16 7:04
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Re: Trump Our New President
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Quote:

JCMan8 wrote:
Caj11, to the extent those stories do not involve bankruptcy, and involve business owners who performed good work (this seems to be disputed in several cases), then I agree there should be no problem paying what you originally agreed. To the extent he was a deadbeat, no one's perfect.

Regarding your second point, I totally disagree, and frankly don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Not sure why anyone would. I care about enforcing the border, helping Americans get put back to work, and fighting against political correctness. From your attitude, it seems you have preconceived notions how his presidency will go, and you may not give him a fair chance. Hopefully you reconsider.



Two things -

1. Do you pay your bills in full and on time? I do. I agree, nobody's perfect, but Trump has story after story of not paying his bills and his imperfections have made lives difficult for a lot of people in New York and New Jersey. They have essentially subsidized Trump's limousines, helicopters, yachts and airplanes. If he has ANY heart at all, he'll sell some of his assets to pay the money he rightfully owes that wasn't discharged in his bankruptcies. I don't care how long ago these debts were incurred - better late than never.

2. Regarding enforcing the border, do you think that his delusional plan to build a wall between the US and Mexico will do much to solve the illegal immigration problem? Even if he is successful in building the wall, then many of the undesirables will just stay here rather than go back to Mexico after they've earned enough money. The porous border between the US and Mexico is not an ideal situation, but I think a wall would probably make things worse. Furthermore, if Trump has such a problem with illegals WHY did he hire them when he was building the Trump Tower?

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

Or at his modeling agency?

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/31 ... egal-immigrants/21463003/

Seems like it's all right for him to use illegals when it benefits him personally, but when he runs for and becomes President, he advocates for their deportation because of course that's the ideal political stance. I'm sure there are still illegals working in his hotels and resorts today - you are never going to staff your entire housekeeping department without them. Talk about hypocrisy.

Posted on: 2016/11/16 4:13
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