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bodhipooh wrote:
Like I said earlier, it is incredibly rich to see so many self-avowed liberals become overnight fiscal conservatives demanding more out of less, and crying unfair taxation.

Reminds of a cocktail party I went to waaay back in the 90s, when an acquaintance of mine introduced me to a Republican couple who were prominent at the time. Everything was free market this and free market that with these people, until someone pointed out that they were living in a pretty sweet rent-controlled three-bedroom apartment on the Upper West Side. Then it was all "Hands off our rent-controlled apartment! We're entitled to this apartment!"

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Lets say the shocked DT homeowner has been here 5 years. According to Zillow, prices have risen 83% in that time! Even assuming a 10% retraction that still a lot of equity gain to pay 1.6% of your value every year with a HELOC, or reverse mortgage if you're old enough (this defusing all the breastbeating about de-homing seniors).

Does anyone believe that DT property will not continue to appreciate at 1.6% minimum on average in the future? The expected howls of "I don't care about appreciation, I just want to keep living in my house!!!" will be hollow. The only people truly fucked is anyone who purchased in the last couple of years that were not told by their realtor or attorney about the coming reval, and are left holding the bag for taxes but not having ridden the values up.

Agreed 100%, but when it comes to money and taxes, people can be completely irrational. The threads on Nextdoor.com are mind blowing by the purposeful obtuseness of people.

Like I said earlier, it is incredibly rich to see so many self-avowed liberals become overnight fiscal conservatives demanding more out of less, and crying unfair taxation.

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I wonder if JC will see a massive amount of tax appeals, like the city did in the early '90s?

Any tax appeal will likely be dismissed without much fuss: what would be the argument to bring an appeal?

That's pretty simple - that the house is worth less than its appraised value. That's what all appeals are based on. Once the full effect of the new income tax law and the reval settle in on the market, it wouldn't be surprising at all for homes at the higher end of the market to be worth 10% to 15% less. I've already factored in 10% into my thinking. While it's true no one knew the tax laws would change so dramatically when the reval started, that's the world we're in now. People like paulushooker may have to pay full fare this year, but I'm betting it won't be a difficult case to make a year from now that assessed values are too high.

I was surprised the city didn't go with a somewhat higher rate and softer assessments, which is common. That approach builds in some cushion for near term market dips.

Agreed that, once properties take a hit in value, a homeowner could then file an appeal. My post was not properly elucidated: there would be no grounds to bring an appeal NOW. That could change in a couple of years. But, according to so many of you, properties will not take a hit because other buyers pushed out of NYC will want to swoop in and snap up available inventory.

Personally, I do think there will be a period of adjustment and some properties will ?lose? value, but that will likely take some time to manifest itself in clear terms. After all, a lot of the run up in DTJC valuations was partly driven by the artificially low taxes.

HeightsNative wrote:
Keep in mind: a rate of 1.62% is one of the lowest in the state. There is no sympathy for your complaints.

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I laugh hardest when liberals/democrats ... focus on Christie's weight when there is definitely plenty of valid things to attack. Think for yourselves for once. Stop being idiots. He wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible either.

I laugh even harder when conservatives tell progressives to think for themselves. Nothing could be funnier than that. Nothing. The conservative echo chamber/talking points and the inability to question even the most bizarre claims are why we are in the mess we are in today.

Chris Christie could have been a 5'10" 108 pound super model and it wouldn't have changed the fact that he pursued so many policies that were bad for the state in the mistaken belief he could convince Iowa he is their kind of conservative. I don't disagree that the state is broken and it's only going to get worse before ... it keeps getting worse. There may be no realistic answers to solve NJ's biggest problems - that isn't Christie's fault. Posturing on immigration, guns, killing and/or underfunding infrastructure, etc. - those are his fault. For all the talk about uniting and courting Dems, he's left the state far more divided than when took office.

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And he didn't complain, and didn't pull the 'don't you know who I am' stunt-just like his wife when she got a traffic ticket last year. I saw Al Roker (who crapped his pants in the White House) have a hissy fit at EWR when he had to be patted down before boarding a flight.

Another nothingburger Christie story. Are you guys still sore he was innocent in Bridgegate that you have to get a woody over this non story?

Not sure how you missed it, but: Christie is the least popular governor since they started keeping track, 50 years ago. He's leaving with a 13% approval rating. He did a terrible job as governor, most notably screwing over commuters by canceling the ARC Tunnel in a vain attempt to burnish his credentials as a conservative.

No one should be surprised in the slightest that NJers are thrilled to get another reminder that the chump is no longer in office.

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Yes, similar factprs weree in play with Hillary. She deserved better.

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And as always, to save you time, I never voted for Healy, and will not vote for Bill or Steve this time (writing in a fictional character probably - more focused on the Ward race).

LOL .. come on a fictional character? Healy may have been cartoon like but he wasn?t fictional.

Stop stalking me on websites go out and enjoy life. Did you go to Mayor Fulops fundraiser at the Beer Hall last night? Good times for the hundreds of very worried people who showed up. Were you the one in the dancing dragon costume? Pretty good moves for a party pooper.

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LOL? much ado about NOTHING from The Healy Clone and the Clonettes.

But then again Matsikouds is use to a big deal about NOTHING because the Healy/Matsikoudis administration did NOTHING for Jersey City while in power for 9 long years.

Hmm doesn?t this release make Mayor Fulop look like the good guy corruption buster? Didn?t he stop the process while being in office for only 6 months?

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iGreg wrote:
Wow, what a professional liar Symes is - Oh wait she's a trained lawyer.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/238681053


Lived in JC all of 2 years & worked for a developer who gave $ to the incumbent mayor.



#Good Luck DTJC

She really is unwatchable and completely full of it. Just in her intro alone "goal to hold JC government more accountable"

Yeah, except that is impossible when you're on the Fulop ticket. Nice try though.

She's not on the Fulop ticket. Fulop declined to endorse anyone in the race.

Personally I think that all the candidates are good and should be able to promote themselves without attacking the integrity of the others. The others keep themselves above the fray, but their campaign staff and supporters do the dirty work for them. At the very least, Jacob fights his own battles in this regard and is willing to say such things personally.

I like the candidates personally, but unless they distance themselves from these attacks and concede that they are wholly unfounded, I will have lost some respect for their campaigns.

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Wow, what a professional liar Symes is - Oh wait she's a trained lawyer.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/238681053


Lived in JC all of 2 years & worked for a developer who gave $ to the incumbent mayor.



#Good Luck DTJC

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Someone on nj.com alluded to the fact that you may be a relative of Healy or Matsikoudis. From all of your posts it sounds like that may just be the case. Also you obviously don?t own property in JC and if you did at one time you must ?haveleft? otherwise you too would be posting ?obsessive rants FOR Steve? after our 9 years of Healy/ Matsikoudis uselessness.

Are you a big of a douche bag in real life as you are on nj.com and now JCList?

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Wait, how do you know the mayor didn't reprimand them? Where you there? Because it wasn't a public shaming, it didn't happen?

As for the tape, I wouldn't release it either. It's out of context. It's only showing a small portion of the entire situation - and just the negative portion at that.

But again, the outcome was that the right thing was done in the end. And it was done so before any of this became public knowledge.

So taking conjecture out of the equation, because none of us are privy to all the facts and all we have to go on we're the outcomes, what is the scandal when it comes to the mayor? I don't see it.

What I do see, however, is someone with roughly 14 posts in total coming on to a site, that is years old, at election time, and posting about a scandal, all the while leaving out pertinent information. Hmmmmm.

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I'll admit, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to this story. Beyond what's been written in this thread, I haven't read a whole lot about it. From what's been posted here, I will admit it sounded fishy on the part of the administration.

But then today, I read an article about this situation in the Hudson Reporter. And lo and behold, I find the people here, raising all the stink, have left out some very important details.

It's funny how no one has mentioned that the administration recognized that the bidding had been compromised, and cancelled the bid. That means that they did the right thing. So where is the scandal? How does this tarnish the mayor, or his administration?

And the defense can't just be resorting to calling me a shill for the mayor. I don't work for the city. I don't work for the campaign. I've given no donations to the mayor, or any candidates in JC.

I know Steve, but our relationship would be described, at best, as aquaintences who met through a neighborhood association nearly a decade ago. I'm relatively close to one council person, but she isn't even running again. My point is, beyond being a ordinary citizen who votes, I don't have a dog in this fight.

But I know hyperbole when I see it. So unless someone can explain to me what I'm missing, this seems to be nothing but political gamesmanship.
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JCGuys wrote: Candidate Fulop and Mayor Fulop have been very different people.

Sadly, that's true. However, it's less an indictment of Steve than it is of our system. You can say the same thing about Obama, Christie, W, winners of middle school student council elections... it's not all outright deceit - a lot of it can be chalked up to naivete that goes with not having done the job you are campaigning for.

That said - I hear the message: Release the tapes. Transparency. Makes sense - transparency is almost always the right answer - but....

As a sentient being, I ask myself - why is this happening now? I think: Dominick Pandolfo is involved - close friend of Bill Matsikoudis, Healy's one-time chief of staff. Huh. Pandolofo has the tape, which means Matsikoudis has the tape, which means that some good number of the people pounding the table for "transparency" have also heard the tape. This is the same group that went running around last election trying to peddle the Bob Lehrer story to anyone who would listen - ultimately, they couldn't get traction because there just wasn't much to the story.

So - here's what I'll bet you, HeightsNative: you've heard the tape. Matsikoudis has heard the tape. CivicJC has heard the tape. The reason you are pounding the table for "transparency" is because, a) you know Fulop won't release it because - why negotiate with terrorists?, and b) there's nothing of substance that is damning on the tape.

You'll try to make political hay out of this for another couple of weeks, the story will fade and then - somewhere in the week before the election, the tape will "get out" - probably heavily edited in a way that leaves a question as to what may or may not have been said.

My two cents.

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CivicJC is grandstanding and playing politics. They should instead write to the state's attorney general asking them to investigate if any laws were broken.

IF Jersey City is still super currupt, hired goons would be cracking some heads. Lobbying council would be the lease of their problems.

So it's grandstanding to demand transparency from elected officials? Are you really this stupid? Or just a plant from the administration? Either way, your poorly written post (lease of their problems? is exactly why these corrupt schmucks get away with this garbage. Then, in the next breathe you all complain it's corrupt and nothing changes. Get your heads out of your rear ends already.

If there is nothing to hide - release the tapes. Steve will delay this until after the election. And you morons will suck it up as per usual.

Man, you really need to go het laid and get some of the edge off. We have a bunch of internet sleuths demanding to listen to a voicemail. I want an actually investigation by the state attorney general office, and prosecution if any wrongdoing is found. This demand and petition by CivicJC to try to be relevant or a political operative's plan to damage Fulop right next to an election.

I type the majority of my posts on my smart phone. I have constant typing erros since the keys are so small and do to autocorrect. Get a life.

My personal feeling is something improper has happened here. So I hope the proper officials take up this issue, and after a thorough investigstion, release the findings to the public. But you lame ass political operatives think sending letters to city council anf attacking people on message boards will somehow change people's minds about Fulop or win elections. Whoever is funding this should ask for a refund.

But by all means, keep attacking me and you internet sleuths, go ahead with root out corruption by listening to a voicemail without any other facts surrounding the siruation. It's amature hour.

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So here's the funny part, Ms. Congeniality - I never said one way or the other how I feel about the topic. You also don't know whether I've signed the petition or not. I'll go back to what I said earlier:

"Knowing how to motivate people instead of preaching to them from a position of assumed moral superiority is the key."

Name calling doesn't help, either.

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By the way, if you knew anything about statistics, a sample size of roughly 400 is adequate on a population of 250k with a confidence level of 95%. 300+ is pretty good to me.

Either way, did you sign the petition? if not, you should just STFU then.

And if you knew anything about how statistics are used, you never would have said that. Sample size applies to polling. You aren't taking a poll - you are collecting signatures. Is your poll that you asked 270,000 people if they would sign your self-serving petition and only 300 did?

I like your approach to building consensus though - very inclusive: Sign our petition or eff you! That might have at least something to do with why 269,700 people haven't signed...