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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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A group of Asians sued Harvard for their affirmative action policy, claiming it was race based discrimination against Asians in favor of inferior groups.

I think they are right.

We will see what happens in court.

Racists say the darndest things!


You know what is racist? Telling well qualified Asians that if they were black (or even white at some schools) that they would accepted but because they're Asian they need to go to a crappier school.

Posted on: 2015/12/28 15:44
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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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Saw an article about a Asian college consulting firm that charges $100k to groom your kid through high school to look less like the typical Asian grind. Less violin, more theater. Less badminton, more football. They're in this game at a different level than the rest of us, who think our children should have a childhood other than homework and test prep. Lots of my son's classmates never get to socialize after school or on a Saturday night, it's simply not done in their culture.

I'm not sure grades and scores should be all there is to entrance. And Trucker is wrong about the test being ALL at McNair, We've been told the PSAT and essay is less than half of the criteria they use, which includes grades, extracurriculars, recommendations and attendance.


Having been raised in that culture, I can tell you that Asian parents don't think beyond getting their kids into Harvard, Yale or Princeton. They think that once their child gets into one of these schools, they have it made for life. Sure, going to one of these schools does help your job prospects, but plenty of Asian kids go to Rutgers and turn out just fine. Better than fine, in fact. A lot of the top schools aren't just looking for high test scores, they're looking to groom the leaders of tomorrow - someone with that creative spark or that desire to give back to the community. Asian child-rearing simply has no room for thinking outside the box. That's why Asians won't likely come up with the next Apple or Google. It's a pity more Asian parents don't focus on raising a happy, well-adjusted human being. It's all about making as much money as you can as an adult so you can show off that BMW X-5 in your driveway - and, of course, take care of your parents in their old age.

The smart Asian kids rebel and push back. You should have seen what a family crisis/scandal it was when I decided to pursue a liberal arts degree rather than something in math or science. You would have thought there was a drug addict or teen pregnancy in the family. In the end, the parents lightened up when they realized I was still employable and able to make a fairly decent living at something I actually loved doing. Too bad it took them until my late 30s to see the light.


At some point they give up - usually around your mid-late 30s, because at that point it is too late to pressure you to change course.

In any event, they're right with respect to how to raise kids if the objective is to maximize median career outcomes. It is just that many kids who grow up in this society/culture are too fat/lazy/comfortable to appreciate the need to really strive. I'm half kidding with that, but also half serious.

Posted on: 2015/12/28 15:42
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Re: Burger opening Mon 12/21 on 1st & Erie
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Well I suppose this restaurant doesn't want to pay for the minuscule chance of you getting food poisoning. In the litigious world we live in, I would not say that is particularly ignorant even if it means not having some business.


Guys, you resolve this by having a disclaimer. Most burger places WILL let you choose rare/medium rare and for many of us, that is a requirement. Somehow, they stay in business (probably because the chances of a successful lawsuit over a disclaimer for simple food poisoning is pretty freakin' small and the damages won't be worth most lawyers' time). Judging by what I'm seeing with this new restaurant's approach, this place won't. If you want to compete in a crowded market, you really to be fantastic at what you do and meet the needs of your customers. That means you make the burgers and fries the way customers want. I like truffle fries, but some people don't. Offer regular fries and maybe even a baked potato with toppings (yes, that would be neat, huh?) or coleslaw or something that sets you apart. Have outdoor tables. You know, simple things that make people go to your place instead of the other places around.


Posted on: 2015/12/21 16:47
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Re: Parking enforcement in Newport area
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Thanks, good to know.

We're also approaching the end of the year. Perhaps the city has a revenue shortfall and this is a nice way to squeeze out some extra cash.


City? The people putting on the boots aren't cops, they're Newport mall cops (private security). Is the city even seeing a dime of that cash?

Posted on: 2015/12/4 22:26
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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.


I really don't see the comparison between the US and Japan, outside of them both having powerful economies. Culturally, they are quite different. The US has a long history of immigration and Japan doesn't. The US is also quite individualistic while the Japanese are quite collectivist.


All Western countries have their differences. If you compare the US to any EU country you'll also find huge differences. That said, when considering national policy it isn't illogical to consider the experiences of other countries. We've seen Europe adopt fairly open borders to disastrous consequences. We've seen Japan do the opposite to great results.

Posted on: 2015/11/24 22:49
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Wow, seeing some hysterical and xenophobic posts. It?s like the capitalism fascists are coming out of the woodwork here, so much hysteria, lol. Ironically, it?s just where it -- the dominant elite ? wants you, lol. The fear of ISIS, the fear of Al Queda, the fear of Iran. The United States -- or more accurately the dominant Western elites who invade, oppress and manipulate in order to preserve, secure and accumulate their PRIVATE wealth -- has been engaged in over 10 military expeditions of invasion and conquest since the 9/11 attack. Iran, on the other hand, last invaded another country in the early 18th century. Sanctions against Iran are intended to deprive Hezbollah and Hamas of Iranian support.

But so long as the American people are fearful, you have little resistance to the implementation of ?preemptive? military action aimed at territorial conquest and capital accumulation.

The hysteria here reveals a pliable, docile, gullible and ?ready to support the next conquest? type of mentality. Exactly what the elites want, and at your expense, by the way.
The United States uses ISIS, in the same way it has used other extremist organizations, as an instrument to justify war. It foments war by backing radical extremism, such as when it illegally sold arms to Iran in order to gain funding to support the Contras in Nicaragua.

This is nothing new and should come as no surprise to anyone. The notion that the United States isn?t up to its chin in fomenting the current extremism is na?ve.

The cost to the US taxpayer since this ?War on Terror? began is 6.6 trillion dollars and many thousands of young American lives. The rulers of the military-industrial-complex who have received a windfall in the billions of dollars as a direct result of this War on Terror, are its beneficiaries. (Senator Feinstein?s husband, Richard Blum, comes to mind.) Ironically, even the posters on this thread who are well paid in salary and bonuses, still have no shot of ever getting on the same economic plane as those whose hands are at the ship?s tiller and are setting the course towards dystopia and misery. (Pretty sure we are already there.)

Newsflash people: when America goes to war, national security and justice are never the primary considerations. Rather, the overarching consideration is always how best to take some money, and turn into more money for the holders of private capital.


As a side note, the only reason we oppose Iran is because Saudia Arabia wants us to do so.


Correct. Also, despite score09 and I having very different political leans, (s)he is absolutely right that the US has done a ton of things to create current Islamic extremism, from support of Saudi Arabia, to support of Islamist groups in Afghanistan (and other places) against the Soviets, to support of orgs such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and so on. I also don't even necessarily disagree that US involvement in many of these conflicts relates to varying degrees of corruption in our government. Libya is a great example of this, as is the original Iraq conflict. Basically, we have made some really idiotic alliances in the middle east which is why we find ourselves supporting some real a-holes in Syria right now who would be significantly worse than Assad if they won (just like Libya is worse off now than it was before US "assistance").

Posted on: 2015/11/24 22:29
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Shot rolls downhill. I've met plenty of non-white bigots that enjoy taking part in bigotry against other ethnicities and groups.


But surely you agree that describing a Hispanic guy that hates BLM types as a "white supremacist" isn't exactly accurate. Or maybe he is and that explains why you think white supremacists make up a huge swath of this country and perhaps why you seem to think I'm a WS as well.


The same way that Italians and Irish became white after begin targets of bigotry themselves. "White" is a social construct, nit genetic. If white bigots accept them in their ranks, they are white for the purposes of shitting on other people.

And I did not say that white supremacists made up huge swaths of America. I was talking about this specific incident, with these specific assholes you support.


Yeah, not sure I accept that this is the work of white supremacists, just guys that hate BLM protesters. I can't stand the BLMers and I'm not a WS.

Posted on: 2015/11/24 22:10
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Re: In case you missed the news.. major cooridinated Islamic terror attack in Paris
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Atsushi - is your strategy just to continually spam this thread with stories, many of which add nothing to the conversation, in the hopes of drowning out those you disagree with?

Also, I'm also curious as to your analysis of Japan's stance on the refugees.


Was watching CNN and a muslim woman, I think she was an activist for the Muslim Community, even said why can't Islamic States like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar etc.... take the Syrian Refugees. They are closer, they can shelter them until Syria gets settled and go back to their country to REBUILT. Why must they need to travel thousands of miles only to feel lost in a Christian country etc. She made lots of good points.

I'll look for the video.


It obviously makes sense. The West should also feel obliged to donate money to offset their costs, particularly since it was our prodding of this "Arab Spring" nonsense and support of the Syrian rebels that produced this crisis. That is the easy, sensible solution that doesn't fit anyone's political agenda.

Posted on: 2015/11/24 21:35
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Shot rolls downhill. I've met plenty of non-white bigots that enjoy taking part in bigotry against other ethnicities and groups.


But surely you agree that describing a Hispanic guy that hates BLM types as a "white supremacist" isn't exactly accurate. Or maybe he is and that explains why you think white supremacists make up a huge swath of this country and perhaps why you seem to think I'm a WS as well.

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I did not call you white..

I called you a shill for violent white supremacists.


Why would a non-white guy (or even an urban professional white guy) shill for a bunch of anti-intellectual rednecks who hate all of us? By the way, did you catch my edit? They arrested two guys in that shooting, one of them Hispanic. Clearly the work of the KKK.

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I meant you...


LOL, I like how you assume I'm even white.

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No, not clueless, just sympathetic to violent white supremacists. Basically a shill for the Klan and murderous bigots.


I don't think anyone is clueless, nor do I think they're particularly sympathetic to violent white supremacists (especially since plenty of people in our society that are nevertheless Republican, myself included, would actually be despised by your typical white supremacist). But neither are many sympathetic to your typical BLM trash either, who are right up there with the violent white supremacists. Or have you forgotten the race rioting in Baltimore and Ferguson?

EDIT: Oh, and they have made some arrests of these so-called "white supremacists" - apparently a Hispanic guy and a white guy. Clearly a local KKK chapter.


Posted on: 2015/11/24 21:14
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USA TODAY GOP Power Rankings: Carson slides, Trump soars
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/1 ... -trump-rubio-cruz-carson/

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Republicans are still in ?denial mode? over Donald Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion ... 0a97_story.html?tid=sm_tw

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'Natzi'? I think in the last week we've seen more 'racist', 'bigot', 'Nazi' attributions than in the last year. Hyperbole doesn't work when it's not true folks.


Also, it really removes any power those terms have. When you declare that anyone who likes Donald Trump (or any other Republican) to be a racist Nazi, then people just shrug and say "ok, whatever, who cares?" Just like the BLM crowd is acting in such an obnoxious fashion that most people have turned against both them and their message, which actually is counterproductive. That became obvious when they started to attack people having brunch in various large cities because they were white and had money. Also same with the liberal "all males are rapists and they should get a notarized consent form prior to engaging any sexual act - and they should add a new signature for each new act performed..." And you know where rapists really flock to? That's right, college campuses.

Anyway, I guess what I'm really getting at is that this nonsense is par for course among liberals.

Kinda ironic that you talk about the BLM crowd after a bunch of them got shot by actual neo-Nazi white supremacists the other day, isn't it?

Or are you really that tone deaf?


Yeah, piss off a huge portion of the population in a public place long enough and something bad will happen. Notice the absolutely minimal public outcry from them getting shot up. Ponder on what that means. I can't bring myself to feel sad for them either.

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Sweden: Rape Clinic for Men, Publicly Funded "Virginity Tests"
One Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Sweden: October 2015
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Related: Strained Sweden tightens asylum rules further
http://news.yahoo.com/strained-sweden ... es-further-165938501.html

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95a36a ... le-25000-refugees-tuesday

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

An addendum:

The two nations present themselves differently to the world. Japan doesn't run around claiming to be a beacon of freedom. It doesn't claim to be the "greatest nation on earth."


Right, so America presents itself to the world in a stupid fashion, and people from around the world have been noting for decades that America - a country with massive drug punishments, generally illegal prostitution, that supports repressive governments such as Saudi Arabia, that imposes an exit tax on its citizens as well as worldwide taxation, is anything but a "beacon of freedom." It isn't ridiculous to point out that the US approach doesn't make any sense whatsoever and that Japan's approach is actually correct. Bonus points for noting that Japan doesn't have a fraction of the social strife that the US or the EU have, much of which is the direct result of massive immigration.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.

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'Natzi'? I think in the last week we've seen more 'racist', 'bigot', 'Nazi' attributions than in the last year. Hyperbole doesn't work when it's not true folks.


Also, it really removes any power those terms have. When you declare that anyone who likes Donald Trump (or any other Republican) to be a racist Nazi, then people just shrug and say "ok, whatever, who cares?" Just like the BLM crowd is acting in such an obnoxious fashion that most people have turned against both them and their message, which actually is counterproductive. That became obvious when they started to attack people having brunch in various large cities because they were white and had money. Also same with the liberal "all males are rapists and they should get a notarized consent form prior to engaging any sexual act - and they should add a new signature for each new act performed..." And you know where rapists really flock to? That's right, college campuses.

Anyway, I guess what I'm really getting at is that this nonsense is par for course among liberals.

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The link below details I witness accounts. Reading the article and some of the comments (of others who claim to have also witnessed) match exactly what my co-worker described.

She was part time only and was off work on 9/11. We were both back at work at 9/12, which is when she relayed what she saw to me.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11/2 ... -saw-277082#ixzz3sLaXMvcE


note: I witnessed nothing like the above article in Jersey City. However, I did witness the that evening and the next day a bunch of Muslim women screaming out their windows around JSQ. They weren't speaking English, so I didn't know what it was all about.

However, later the news reported that a number of men in the area had been arrested or detained by the FBI right after the attacks. The screaming women were the wives, daughters, and sisters who just had seen their men taken away in handcuffs.

Conservative blowhard writes article claiming to have seen things thus it must be fact!

The reality is that there are people who cheered when the Red Sox won the World Series. Given our vast political and religious landscape, I'm sure there were some people that felt the USA needed to be taken down a peg and were happy about seeing it. None of that actually translates to "thousands in the streets of Jersey City" and given the accounts of those here listening to police scanners and the links to the articles about the Israelis on the roof... Yeah, it is still bullshit. This guy's claim is completely fabricated.

(PS: the term is eye witness: an honest mistype that I'm just using for clarity in the future.)


Wait, did you seriously just compare cheering for the Red Sox, an f-ing baseball team, to cheering the murder of thousands of Americans by a terrorist org that would happily roast every non-Muslim in America?


I think you have Al Qaeda confused with ISIS


LOL, while I didn't "confuse them" you're kidding yourself if you think they're all that different. If you look at Al-Nusra or the Islamic courts in Somalia you'll see what I mean. Both sell a radical, hardline version of Sunni Islam that seeks to crush anyone that doesn't subscribe to their belief system.


There is a clear difference between AQ and ISIS and I will explain more later.

Anyways, if you are such a strong opponent of Sunni Islam (and I understand why), then what do you think about the US' long standing alliance with a Sunni Islam theocracy in Saudi Arabia? We support them financially and militarily and these funds and weapons make it into the hands of Sunni Islamic fighters.


I understand that there's a clear difference between AQ and ISIS, and that they commonly battle one another, but these are largely political in nature (in other words, it is a question of who they are pledging allegiance to, rather than what they believe or stand for).

As you can probably guess, I'm not a large fan of the US's close relationship to the KSA.

Also, it is probably an overstatement to say that I am a "strong opponent of Sunni Islam" just because I don't like AQ or ISIS, or because I'm not a fan of taking a bunch of Islamic refugees into my country. I won't say I'm remotely a fan of Islam, but your language might be interpreted to mean I want people killed because they're Sunni Muslims or something crazy like that, which isn't true.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.

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... a terrorist org that would happily roast every non-Muslim in America?


No need for hysteria.



I don't think this is hysteria. I think it is an accurate description of the org that perpetrated 9/11. How would you describe them?

I also find it curious that we have people on this board actually defending AQ and insinuating that they're really "not that bad." I'd love further explanation.

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The link below details I witness accounts. Reading the article and some of the comments (of others who claim to have also witnessed) match exactly what my co-worker described.

She was part time only and was off work on 9/11. We were both back at work at 9/12, which is when she relayed what she saw to me.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11/2 ... -saw-277082#ixzz3sLaXMvcE


note: I witnessed nothing like the above article in Jersey City. However, I did witness the that evening and the next day a bunch of Muslim women screaming out their windows around JSQ. They weren't speaking English, so I didn't know what it was all about.

However, later the news reported that a number of men in the area had been arrested or detained by the FBI right after the attacks. The screaming women were the wives, daughters, and sisters who just had seen their men taken away in handcuffs.

Conservative blowhard writes article claiming to have seen things thus it must be fact!

The reality is that there are people who cheered when the Red Sox won the World Series. Given our vast political and religious landscape, I'm sure there were some people that felt the USA needed to be taken down a peg and were happy about seeing it. None of that actually translates to "thousands in the streets of Jersey City" and given the accounts of those here listening to police scanners and the links to the articles about the Israelis on the roof... Yeah, it is still bullshit. This guy's claim is completely fabricated.

(PS: the term is eye witness: an honest mistype that I'm just using for clarity in the future.)


Wait, did you seriously just compare cheering for the Red Sox, an f-ing baseball team, to cheering the murder of thousands of Americans by a terrorist org that would happily roast every non-Muslim in America?


I think you have Al Qaeda confused with ISIS


LOL, while I didn't "confuse them" you're kidding yourself if you think they're all that different. If you look at Al-Nusra or the Islamic courts in Somalia you'll see what I mean. Both sell a radical, hardline version of Sunni Islam that seeks to crush anyone that doesn't subscribe to their belief system.

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The link below details I witness accounts. Reading the article and some of the comments (of others who claim to have also witnessed) match exactly what my co-worker described.

She was part time only and was off work on 9/11. We were both back at work at 9/12, which is when she relayed what she saw to me.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11/2 ... -saw-277082#ixzz3sLaXMvcE


note: I witnessed nothing like the above article in Jersey City. However, I did witness the that evening and the next day a bunch of Muslim women screaming out their windows around JSQ. They weren't speaking English, so I didn't know what it was all about.

However, later the news reported that a number of men in the area had been arrested or detained by the FBI right after the attacks. The screaming women were the wives, daughters, and sisters who just had seen their men taken away in handcuffs.

Conservative blowhard writes article claiming to have seen things thus it must be fact!

The reality is that there are people who cheered when the Red Sox won the World Series. Given our vast political and religious landscape, I'm sure there were some people that felt the USA needed to be taken down a peg and were happy about seeing it. None of that actually translates to "thousands in the streets of Jersey City" and given the accounts of those here listening to police scanners and the links to the articles about the Israelis on the roof... Yeah, it is still bullshit. This guy's claim is completely fabricated.

(PS: the term is eye witness: an honest mistype that I'm just using for clarity in the future.)


Wait, did you seriously just compare cheering for the Red Sox, an f-ing baseball team, to cheering the murder of thousands of Americans by a terrorist org that would happily roast every non-Muslim in America?

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By Jarvis DeBerry, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
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On Nov. 22, 1963, my home state of Mississippi was, like every other state in the South, solidly Democratic. And yet, according to my American History teacher, who was standing before a class in Columbus that day, when the intercom blared that President John F. Kennedy, a Democrat, had been assassinated in Dallas, her students responded with applause.

Imagine: Americans cheering the death of their own leader.

Students whose parents almost certainly identified themselves as Democrats whooping it up that the leader of that party had been killed. My teacher, Judy Morris, was telling that story to another Mississippi classroom nearly 30 years later to illustrate the virulent anti-Catholic hatred that pervaded the South.

She said her own grandmother, who given Ms. Morris' age must have been born in the late 1800s, had eventually reached a point where she could be cordial to black people. But the Catholics? No, sir. She could never stand the Catholics. And didn't mind saying it.

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While that isn't great, that isn't comparable. Many people hate any given president. If GWB was assassinated while in office you can bet a bunch of people would have been elated. 9/11 wasn't a single president being killed by some mentally ill guy, it was thousands of civilians being murdered by people from another country promoting a radical ideology that would happily cheer if those thousands became 100s of millions of Americans. This isn't a minor difference - it is a world apart.

For some reason, it is become popular to equivocate everything these days. Where people are from doesn't matter, what people believe doesn't matter - everyone is the same. The trouble is that this isn't how humanity actually works or has ever worked. We are a tribal species and always will be. That is why when you have an Oswald killing JFK, you see a man killing another man, but when you see 9/11 terrorists strike, they are trying to kill as many people as possible because they are attacking the entire people. And of course this isn't condoning the murder of anyone - murder is obviously a horrendous crime. But murder multiplied by several thousand, with a goal to kill many more is obviously dramatically worse.

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Atsushi - is your strategy just to continually spam this thread with stories, many of which add nothing to the conversation, in the hopes of drowning out those you disagree with?

Also, I'm also curious as to your analysis of Japan's stance on the refugees.

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Not really worried about that at all, and if my children ask stupid liberal questions like that then I'll be deeply depressed (not because I supported the wrong position - far from it, but rather than I did a poor job at raising intelligent, pragmatic people). As for Ben Affleck, I have to lol @ a Hollywood liberal asking a question and then suppressing the answer when it doesn't go the way he likes.

Well, there are two things here... One, Affleck is absurd. I?m not going to claim to be a fan, just that there are scenarios where, upon future reflection, the actions are not something to be proud of. His ancestors owning slaves was thought, at the time, to be a perfectly acceptable position to hold. I would like to think that we know better today.

In regards to the reflection on your position? You can claim it is an absurd liberal position but it isn?t. It is actually very pragmatic. Our actions and decisions have a direct impact on our history and how we are looked back upon.

The fear caused by the Ebola ?outbreak? is exactly that. The paranoia lead to a few inconveniences and a lot of fear mongering but in the end, it really wasn?t a problem. In the end, those screaming about how we need to protect ourselves just look stupid.

The same goes for the Syrian refugees. The Paris bombing doesn?t actually have much to do with them, yet they seem to be getting the blame regardless. It really is a lot of chicken little nonsense.


I don't understand your conflation of slavery and not allowing in a bunch of questionable refugees. No first world countries will ever have open borders if they're going to survive. I don't accept that barring groups from being accepted based on obvious risk is morally repugnant. Slavery, on the other hand, is not really necessary for national survival, isn't common and is generally viewed (except by certain Syrians who openly practice slavery) as morally repugnant.

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Four dozen House Democrats broke ranks, despite heavy lobbying from the White House, to vote for stopping the Syrian refugees. A great rebuke to Obama's reckless policy.

The vetting process takes about 2 years, what makes the policy reckless?

Are you arguing that everyone fleeing Syria is a terrorist?


Why would he need to argue this in order to justify his position? It is enough that some of them are to justify opposing this idiotic policy.

Because some of the people buying guns are going around and shooting up schools, we should just shut off all gun sales.

It is enough that some gun buyers are homicidal maniacs to justify opposing the idiotic policy of selling guns.

(Something tells me that you don?t agree with this argument very much even if it is the exact same argument you made.)



You're not very good at this. Barring guns based on a few bad apples restricts the rights of law abiding citizens. Potential refugees/immigrants have no rights. We either choose to accept them or not - it being entirely our decision. Basing those decisions on avoiding the consequences of those bad apples is perfectly reasonable.

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Rumor and innuendo spread on right wing blog sites. I'm sorry but I take this with a salt mine.


How about the FBI director stating before Congress that the FBI cannot perform real background checks on the Syrians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HZ4A7YGKl4


That's what I've been saying. Anyone who has ever had experience performing background checks on people who are being considered for access to sensitive information knows how this works and why this cannot possibly work for Syrian refugees (or any refugees from a non-cooperative/non-existent government).

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I'm not only selfish (though I note that only the insane don't look out for their own interests) - I care about those already living in my community as well. I care about them significantly more than I care about people from a totally different society, many members of which hate everything this society is about. Yes, that includes the "innocent children" who grow up into the teens running from the west to join ISIS. By the way, many of us have innocent children as well. How do you look your children in the eyes and ponder that you vote to make their lives more dangerous for someone else's benefit? I choose not to do that.

By the way, I don't hate myself at all and sleep perfectly well at night.

The way you do that you picture them another 20 years older looking you in the eye and being able to judge your actions.

A lot of people grow up and, reflecting upon what their parents have done, feel shame (See Affleck, Ben). With situations like this, the most likely scenario is the child asking where your humanity went and why you were so afraid...


Not really worried about that at all, and if my children ask stupid liberal questions like that then I'll be deeply depressed (not because I supported the wrong position - far from it, but rather than I did a poor job at raising intelligent, pragmatic people). As for Ben Affleck, I have to lol @ a Hollywood liberal asking a question and then suppressing the answer when it doesn't go the way he likes.

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Four dozen House Democrats broke ranks, despite heavy lobbying from the White House, to vote for stopping the Syrian refugees. A great rebuke to Obama's reckless policy.

The vetting process takes about 2 years, what makes the policy reckless?

Are you arguing that everyone fleeing Syria is a terrorist?


Why would he need to argue this in order to justify his position? It is enough that some of them are to justify opposing this idiotic policy.

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mr. john kerry says it will take time for the us to defeat isis, but that it will be quicker than al-qaeda. it seems to me that isis defeated al-qaeda, and not the us. am i missing something?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/1 ... sis-idUSKCN0T833X20151119

Yes. I posted this article earlier: NY Times: The Attacks in Paris Reveal the Strategic Limits of ISIS
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By the way, since when is AQ defeated? Al-Nusra front is AQ in Syria, and AQ orgs are active in numerous Muslim countries. Yes, ISIS overtook AQ as the primary force of militant Islam, but discussing defeating ISIS by noting how long it took to defeat AQ assumes that AQ was ever defeated. Also alive and well: the Taliban. It is exceptionally difficult to kill terrorist orgs based on extremist ideologies that a large number of people subscribe to. You know, many of the people that are looking to come in as "refugees"!

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For some reason I strongly suspected your reply would start like this. If you had children, you might understand why there are more important things in life than "not being a racist."

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if I did I wouldn't be using them as an excuse to act like a xenophobic racist. The example you're setting for them is probably more dangerous for the community than a refugee moving into your neighborhood.


Yeah, when you gain some maturity you might realize that the worst thing in life aren't stupid labels. I don't care if I come off as "racist" in protecting my family and country. People like you resulted in scenes like this in Europe: http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/ ... harlie-hebdo-protests.jpg

If "racists like me" stop that from happening here then I can live with the label. By the way, racists in the house just passed a law ending the Syrian refugee program by a fairly large margin, with numerous democrats breaking ranks and joining with the Republicans. I consider myself in good company.

Finally, I'll note that you assume much when you describe me as "xenophobic" (such as that I and my family are even from this country). Even "racist" isn't actually a reasonable description, since I'm open to the concept of accepting Syrian Christian refugees. But whatever, if living with the label "xenophobic racist" is the price of stopping dangerous idiocy then fine, I don't really give a sh!t.


You are aware people can choose not to reproduce and still be adults with valid opinions right? Your opinion doesn't hold any more weight just because you spit out a kid. You'll do anything to protect your family? What the hell do you think these refugee families are doing when they flee their own country because they're afraid of being killed? Pull your head out of your own ass.


Look, people can reproduce or not. My point is that your priorities change. I'm sure they also do what they can for their own interests. In fact, pretty much all of the third world would immigrate to the first world if given the chance. That doesn't mean we should let them, because we should be just as interested in our own well being as they are interested in theirs. My head is firmly where it should be. Yours is obviously not.

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If you picked yourself up by your bootstraps and got yourself a better job, you wouldn?t be worrying about how much money you pay in taxes?


I normally avoid most political discussion in this board, but this last comment is a bit baffling. I don't get the logic. Do you believe/think that someone who improved themselves through their own efforts would not complain about taxes??

If someone makes enough money to have a comfortable life, they shouldn't be concerned with taxes. Some people just don't have good enough jobs and decide to concern themselves with it more than those that are more successful.


Most ridiculous thing I've read on the internet in quite some time. Congrats.

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