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A couple of years ago a dude jumped and landed just above a street-level restaurant there.

The person who jumped a few years ago was not a resident of the building. She was a friend of a resident, was going through a bad breakup and was very upset.

cdnj wrote:
comcast for me has been just OK.

question for those with it...i recently noticed in my onscreen guide that certain channels (ie, ch 21 - food network) state "HD" as part of the programming info. there are probably another 10 like this...none of which come in as HD....

anyone know anything about this?

lecxe wrote: Looks like Webbie did a little spring cleaning on this thread.

Oturan wrote:
I don't think there kosher at all...and i have passed it by on several occasions and its always closed. Let me know if you try to contact them.

JadedJC wrote:
You guys are upset because you can't get Internet on the nicest day so far this spring?? Honestly, what's WRONG with you people??? I noticed the problem this morning, shrugged, turned off the computer and headed out, figuring the problem would be fixed eventually and I could check e-mail later. Now that I've checked e-mail and the day's rants on JC List, time to head back out....

scooter wrote:
this is not surprising at all (Comcast is the K-tel of cable companies)

...there aren't many phone calls I look forward to making more than that one to Comcast canceling my account, the minute FIOS comes to V.V.P. - whenever that is.

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Socialism is NOT a dirty word.

No, sure, socialism is great.

It\'s great if you can\'t/don\'t want to make it on your own in society and want to depend on nanny state to take care of you.

Did you know that most French aspire to have government jobs because they can never be fired?

It\'s Orwellian.

Justjoe - you have no idea.

I\'m not sure if that comes under response B or C, but I do appreciate not calling me a commie.

So far, all you\'ve offer5ed is an \"ad hominem\" response, criticizing me rather than my ideas.

I agree that I\'m a senile old fool. None of what I have seen and experienced in any the countries where I have lived, visited, done business and continue to do business and have frequent correspondence has taught me anything. I\'m stupid. I\'m probably about 5 years away from needing diapers again and I don\'t own a cellphone because I don\'t want to be bothered while trying to remember why I waked into this room.

Now that we have established that, let\'s get back on topic and tell us what you think the next president should do to put us on the path to the quality of life that so many other countries have?

What should the next president do to restore this nation\'s dignity and respect in the world and among our own people?

Give us . . . something!

justjoe wrote:

Socialism is NOT a dirty word.

Br6dR wrote:
Obama Gets the Blue Majority Endorsement

By Kos
The Daily Kos
Mar 26, 2008


...as Clinton's only path to victory is via coup by super delegate and civil war...

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Gotta love jclist liberals.

Lecxe compares Wright to Lincoln.

Not to be outdone, SalOnTheHill compares Wright to Rosa Parks to bolster his \"point\", but totally loses his cool in the process and calls me all kinds of names.

You guys are ENTERTAINMENT.

Well, considering lexce\'s comparison was actually pretty well thought out and articulated, and the opposition response he got was the stunningly unintellectual equivalent of \"well you just can\'t compare the two\" - yeah, i can see why discourse on this site is at the level that it is.
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This guy Wright seems to have a major problem with America.

Seems like he hates this country.

I have major problems with America. It doesn't mean I hate this country. Nor does it mean Rev. Wright does.

It takes a true patriot to stand up against the flag-waving bullies and shine a light on things America does wrong.

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He absolutely makes me sick.

People who accuse dissenters and critics of American policies of hating America absolutely make me sick.

Let the record show that SalOnThe Hill called Wright a "true patriot".

Even Obama called Wright's remarks about America "offensive". Or is Obama just lying, pandering to the voters, while hiding his true feelings about Wright and agreeing with Sal?

Sal, the partisan zeal got better of you. Get with the program.

Let the record also reflect that I can also call Rev. Wright's remarks "offensive" - the don't offend me, mind you. But are they offensive to some? Surely. Plenty of white folk were offended by the idea of Rosa Parks sitting in the front of the bus, too. Didn't make their views any less repugnant.

Let the record also reflect that I call injcsince81 a gutless coward who maliciously tosses around and perverts the things this country was founded on in the name of faux-patriotism.

I don't get with "programs" man, that for lazy, un-American followers like you.

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This guy Wright seems to have a major problem with America.

Seems like he hates this country.

I have major problems with America. It doesn't mean I hate this country. Nor does it mean Rev. Wright does.

It takes a true patriot to stand up against the flag-waving bullies and shine a light on things America does wrong.

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He absolutely makes me sick.

People who accuse dissenters and critics of American policies of hating America absolutely make me sick.

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http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21 ... emiah-wrights-911-sermon/

The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright?s 9/11 sermon
Posted: 10:09 AM ET
Editor?s note: CNN Contributor Roland Martin has listened to several of the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Portions of the sermons have been excerpted in recent stories.

As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I?ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.

I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, ?The Day of Jerusalem?s Fall.? It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned ?chickens coming home to roost.? He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan?s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That?s what he told the congregation.

He was quoting Peck as saying that America?s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

?I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.?

?We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

?We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

?We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

?We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

?We bombed Qaddafi?s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children?s head against the rock.

?We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they?d never get back home.

?We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

?Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

?We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America?s chickens are coming home to roost.

?Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y?all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don?t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.?

He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.

?What is the state of your family?? he asked.

And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.

His sermon thesis:

1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.

2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won?t put me on PBS or national cable for what I?m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)

?We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,? he said.

Wright then said we can?t stop messing over people and thinking they can?t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.

?Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation?s healthcare system that leaves the nation?s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.?

3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.

By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said ?God damn America.? I?m not sure which sermon that came from.

This doesn?t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.

The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.

I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.

And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.

So stay tuned.

lecxe wrote:
injcsince81 or brian_em,

I'm still waiting to hear what makes Lincoln above reproach to be a inspirational figure even while holding racist views. Yet the same can't be said for Rev. Wright.

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Didn't Wright also say that the US government gives minorities (read: blacks) drugs and then locks them up for dealing under the three strikes law?

The guy is a crackpot at best; and a virulent racist at worst.

Is it true that his church gave some kind of award to Farrakhan?

The fact that Obama listened to his lunatic spewings for 20 years is mind-boggling.

Somebody should put together a list of Wright quotes from the past 20 years.

You actually bring up some good points. And there is no denying that Rev. Wright has said some controversial & wacky things. So to give you & others some more perspective allow me to provide an except from another person that Obama looks up to & has quoted in his speeches. Tell me if it's hate speech & then tell me should we disavow him also:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."


-Abraham Lincoln

Way to go comparing Wright to Lincoln.

And George Washington owned slaves.

SO WHAT???

You can't compare then and now.

Let me break it down to you in simpler terms. Obama has many influences. If you disavow one of his influences (Rev. Wright) because you find his view racist, it's only fair that you must disavow others who Obama looks up to that have said racist things (Abraham Lincoln).

Do you disavow Abraham Lincoln?

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Since the Edit button does not exist, I have to re-post:

Didn't Wright also say that the US government gives minorities (read: blacks) drugs and then locks them up for dealing under the three strikes law?

The guy is a crackpot at best; and a virulent racist at worst.

Is it true that his church gave some kind of award to Farrakhan?

The fact that Obama listened to his lunatic spewings for 20 years is mind-boggling.

Somebody should put together a list of Wright quotes from the past 20 years.

You actually bring up some good points. And there is no denying that Rev. Wright has said some controversial & wacky things. So to give you & others some more perspective allow me to provide an except from another person that Obama looks up to & has quoted in his speeches. Tell me if it's hate speech & then tell me should we disavow him also:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."


-Abraham Lincoln

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I'm missing the point of your post.

No you're not. You're just doing what comes easy: playing dumb. Are you saying you've never complained about PC liberals? Of course you have.

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What are you saying?

I'm saying your full of cr*p. How does that work for ya?

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As everyone knows, trying to reason with these people is a complete waste of time. After all, these are the same people who rant about the "PC police" when Rush Limbaugh makes comments like... oh I don't know... like these:

As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. Racism in America is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings of people like Jesse Jackson."

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting "ax" for "ask"-- when discussing black leaders.

...Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang-member type guy" -- an individual with no gang background.

In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis "where nobody goes." East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents -- 98 percent of whom are African-Americans. One of its 40,000 "nobodies" is star NFL linebacker Bryan Cox.

Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?" That's not an unusual response for a talk radio host playing to an audience of angry white males.

hero69 wrote:
Wait...shouldn't they invite McCain on so that he can talk about his past warm relations with Strom Thurmond and Gerry Falwell. Give me a break....give me some of that Kit kat bar

Br6dR wrote:
Barack Obama on Larry King Tonight

He'll be on for the full hour, as Larry likes to say.