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Re: Capital One Eliminates People
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brewster wrote:
We actually moved it to Cap1 because their branches had parking!


Is that you, Yvonne??

Posted on: 2016/12/15 22:09
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Re: Jersey City Parking lot, first sold now renting
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Two things strike me here:

1. Gupta is a Tom Bertoli client. I'm sure every effort is being made to take care of him.

2. Ever since Fulop decided to abandon his run for governor (for reasons that still are unclear and likely will remain so, since he wasn't called to testify in the Bridgegate trial) and will run for re-election for mayor, he's really amped up his attacks on Yun. I chuckle with the image of him furiously texting out a Yun screed in the back of the Explorer, sending it to Morrill to cut and paste into a Terrence email and then calling her every three minutes to see if it went out yet....

Posted on: 2016/12/14 16:48
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Re: 25-year tax break on tap for new Downtown Jersey City tower
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If this deal is consistent with previous attempts to do this, the school will pay that (and more) over time (same as debt service) via a "market rate" lease.

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JPhurst wrote:
Here is a link to the cost for the newly completed P.S. 20.

Total Estimated Project Costs $49.3 Million
Total Construction Costs $28.7 Million

https://www.njsda.gov/NJSDA/Schools/sc ... &SchoolName=Number+20+E.S

So even if all the tax revenue from the new building was dedicated to building a new school, it would take quite a while to raise the money to build it.

I still think a better deal should be made.

Posted on: 2016/12/11 13:23
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Re: Tractor trailer crashes into gazebo in Hamilton Park
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Just another day on the streets of Jersey City

Posted on: 2016/12/9 13:56
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Re: Complete Streets - Bike JC's Grand Street Vision
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Dolomiti wrote:
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RichMauro wrote:
I revisited this thread out of curiosity just to see what was added.
Now I understand how posters get the "home away from home" designation.
Sheesh -- everyone's going in circles.

Where's the "get on your bikes and ride" person??

I'm still here


He means Heights

Posted on: 2016/12/1 15:40
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Re: Complete Streets - Bike JC's Grand Street Vision
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Why not read the article Dan linked to? It might dispel some of your baseless notions. In that article, you would find that in the rest of the world the driving public is not "getting more and more dangerous to all of the populace." So what is being done in other countries to make that the case?

And I'll happily live with whatever might come from increased traffic enforcement. If you are following the rules (or, around here, in the same zip code as the rules) you have nothing to fear.

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RichMauro wrote:
I revisited this thread out of curiosity just to see what was added.
Now I understand how posters get the "home away from home" designation.
Sheesh -- everyone's going in circles.

Where's the "get on your bikes and ride" person??--seems like they'd be a natural for this topic.

Again, find a safer place to ride for enjoyment of your bike. Realize that the driving public is getting more and more dangerous to all of the populace. Those of you shouting for ticketing, enforcement etc., be careful--you may get what you wish for on both sides of the coin. Municipalities love nothing more than revenue streams from laws that once on the books are hard to eradicate.

Remember the traffic cameras??

Posted on: 2016/12/1 14:12
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Re: Complete Streets - Bike JC's Grand Street Vision
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Congrats on your one-man circle jerk. Although local practice may indicate otherwise, enforcing traffic laws is not a novel idea.

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T-Bird wrote:
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Dolomiti wrote:

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Let's face it - people behind a driver's wheel around here are assholes.

I'm not sure that would change with a stricter police enforcement effort.


Well, Dolomiti isn't sure so we probably should hold off... Seriously - when has it ever been tried on a sustained basis?

You're the one proposing the policy. I'd say it is your obligation to demonstrate that it will work.

Meanwhile, research is suggesting that yes, bike infrastructure can make a big difference.
http://usa.streetsblog.org/2012/10/22 ... ry-risk-up-to-90-percent/

I also have to say that IMO saying "screw the data, let's bust bad drivers" is ultimately not a rational argument, it's an emotional one. Rather than figuring out where the problems really are, We Must Do Something!!! Sorry, but I really don't find that to be very persuasive. It's like prescribing a broad-spectrum antibiotic, without doing a full workup, because the patient has a cough.


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How on earth could anyone credibly make the argument "it would never work" when it has never been tried?

You don't think any municipality has ever tried to reduce crashes via stricter or increased traffic enforcement? And yet, you are certain it will work anyway? How curious.


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Not enough manpower? You are probably talking about a dozen or fewer cars for a couple of hours in the morning and a similar amount of time in the evening....

Doing what, exactly?

Where will they go?

Where will they have the biggest effect?

How long will this go on?

Will this be more or less effective than modifying street infrastructure for traffic calming?

Why are you objecting to the very idea of doing research to figure out the best options?



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moving them around is what would make them effective, not parking them like furniture in one spot for an extended period.

Good thing I didn't suggest that


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if the city's $100 million-plus police budget can't afford that then we need to take a serious look at how we are spending our police dollars.

I have no idea how well JCPD resources are allocated.

That said, I doubt they have a dozen idle traffic officers. Just a guess.


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Actually, we don't know what it's changed, because we haven't seen any data.

Actually, as someone who rides every day - on Grove most days - I can tell you nothing has changed.

Again, anecdotal data doesn't really tell us anything.

How many fatal bike accidents were there on Grove Street in 2015? Is it more or less than previous years? Is there a trend?

How can we tell if something works, without having data as a baseline?

Are there more or less bicycle crashes in JC than in other cities of the same size and density? Or compared to Manhattan? Or compared to other parts of Hudson County or NJ?

How can you even tell whether enforcement will work, if you don't have any way to measure the effects? Should the city just call you up every 6 weeks and ask you if it's better?

The reality is that without data, we are basically blind. We have no way to know where the real problems are, or whether our efforts are having any effect.


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Many people on here post the same thing. Frequently. Data is great and more is better, but you don't need a spreadsheet to tell you your house is on fire.

Yeah, thing about that? You can't tell how bad things are by riding your bike down the street.

Perceptions like those are notoriously unreliable. All it takes is for one car to get a little too close, and you can be convinced that "NJ/JC drivers are insane." Subjective impressions like this are highly susceptible to availability heuristics and similar cognitive biases.

It seems pretty obvious to me that we need real data in order to know if our efforts will have a real effect.

Posted on: 2016/11/28 20:04
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Re: Complete Streets - Bike JC's Grand Street Vision
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Dolomiti wrote:

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Let's face it - people behind a driver's wheel around here are assholes.

I'm not sure that would change with a stricter police enforcement effort.


Well, Dolomiti isn't sure so we probably should hold off... Seriously - when has it ever been tried on a sustained basis? How on earth could anyone credibly make the argument "it would never work" when it has never been tried? Not enough manpower? You are probably talking about a dozen or fewer cars for a couple of hours in the morning and a similar amount of time in the evening - moving them around is what would make them effective, not parking them like furniture in one spot for an extended period. if the city's $100 million-plus police budget can't afford that then we need to take a serious look at how we are spending our police dollars.

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In contrast, changing the infrastructure can calm traffic, is not punitive, and can nudge drivers into safer behavior.


Let's do this, too. But the way people have run over middle of the road pedestrian crosswalk signs and blow through new stop signs (for years after they've been introduced) doesn't lead me to believe it's a panacea. I'm all for it, but not instead of enforcement - let's do it alongside enforcement.

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We've already seen that a painted line on a street doesn't change anything.


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Actually, we don't know what it's changed, because we haven't seen any data.


Actually, as someone who rides every day - on Grove most days - I can tell you nothing has changed. Many people on here post the same thing. Frequently. Data is great and more is better, but you don't need a spreadsheet to tell you your house is on fire.


Posted on: 2016/11/28 17:44
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Re: Complete Streets - Bike JC's Grand Street Vision
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I am a strong proponent of increased/improved cycling infrastructure wherever we can get it - I ride daily. But I grudgingly accept the reality: DTJC isn't ready for a widespread rollout or even a significant reconfiguration of one major artery. We could be in a year though, if...

Spend the next twelve months actively enforcing ALL traffic/cycling/pedestrian laws. Accepting the current state of affairs "because that's the way it is" is, well - unacceptable. Ticket the hell out of speeders, light runners, stop sign ignorers, aggressive lane changers, etc. Ticket jaywalkers. Ticket bike lane double parkers. Ticket people over the age of 12 riding on sidewalks (and don't tell me "I'm taking my life in my hands if I try to ride on Grand - ride on York, a couple of hundred feet away and already equipped with a bike lane. Same for other currently unsafe streets.) Let's face it - people behind a driver's wheel around here are assholes. It would not surprise me in the least to see some suburban commuter driving in the protected bike lane after sitting in traffic for fifteen minutes.

The culture has to change. We've already seen that a painted line on a street doesn't change anything. (Hell, more people are riding on the sidewalks than ever before.) Thoughtful consideration needs to be given to how to best achieve a long term success rather than roll out scattered, half-baked things willy nilly.

Posted on: 2016/11/28 15:21
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Re: Trump Our New President
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Way to crack the case, Neverleft. You and The Big "Guy" are a regular Cagney and Lacey. But wait - also from the article you posted:

The attack was one of several reported in the wake of Donald Trump?s election victory.

I got an email today from St. Peter's Prep, where my son attends, telling me what measures they are taking to prevent further incidents of intimidation from occurring - incidents they have been experiencing following the election.

I'm sure keeping your head up your ass is good for warmth and allows you to better see the world you want, but it probably blinds you from what really is going on. Just a hunch.

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fraulein wrote:
Apparently Trump asked Obama and Clinton to speak out against the protests. I want to see Trump speak out against these terrible hate crimes happening, especially in schools/colleges. He said he would try to unify. He should use that power now.


(which hate crime? )

WaPo: Louisiana student ?fabricated? story of hijab attack, police say

By Derek Hawkins and Fred Barbash November 10 at 7:34 PM

Updated
A student at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette fabricated a story that she was attacked and had her hijab rippped off, police said Thursday.

The attack was one of several reported in the wake of Donald Trump?s election victory.

In a press release Thursday afternoon, the Lafayette Police Department said that during the course of their investigation into the woman?s complaint, she ?admitted that she fabricated the story about her physical attack as well as the removal of her hijab and wallet by two white males.

?This incident is no longer under investigation? by the department, the statement said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mo ... en-invoking-donald-trump/

Posted on: 2016/11/11 19:35
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Re: Trump Our New President
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Energy, too. I get it - liberals are condescending and non-inclusive. But the risks of know-nothingism are far more tangible and dangerous.

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fraulein wrote:
So much for draining the swamp...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/ ... smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Posted on: 2016/11/11 13:32
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Re: Trump Our New President
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#draintheswamp? #burnitdown? Hardly. Of the 392 house members running for re-election, only 8 seats flipped to the other party. One senate seat (maybe 2, depending on the NH outcome.) That's 10 out of 426 - Washington is "the swamp" and nothing is more disliked than congress, yet nothing changed.

Last night was a repudiation of HRC (and Bill) and to a much lesser extent, the President. I was grateful not to have to vote for her, given my confidence that Trump wouldn't win NJ. Clinton was a historically bad candidate and I truly believe any other Democrat would have won last night, including Sanders - although she will still end up winning the popular vote. Trump would not have won PA, MI or probably WI against virtually anyone else.

This really is no mass uprising or a mandate or anything of the sort - it is just another example of how deeply divided the country is.

Posted on: 2016/11/9 19:39
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Re: Jersey City school board election November 8, 2016
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Polls are open from 6am to 8pm

Posted on: 2016/11/7 20:20
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Re: Ballot 1 - Casino's in No. NJ
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Wouldn't it be fun if they had "no" buttons next to candidates too? You would not only be able to vote "yes" for your chosen candidate, but also throw in a "no" for ones who you find particularly objectionable.

Posted on: 2016/11/7 19:59
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Re: Spectra Gas Pipeline -- (like the one Downtown) -- Explosion Cuts Flows to Eastern U.S.
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Since we are making sure people understand...

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Dolomiti wrote:

Oh, good grief

You do know that before the Spectra lines were put in, there were already large lines in JC? That those lines were aging, and replaced with the new lines? No - the project was to install a new line large pipeline (36" in diameter, there were no other lines near this size prior to Spectra) that is intended to serve NYC. Any replacement infrastructure that resulted from this project was minimal and ancillary.

You do know that there are gas lines running down every street in JC? Including right to your house? Those are local distribution lines - typically anywhere from a couple of inches to 8" in diameter and low compression. The Spectra line is a very high compression line - meaning it not only carries more gas because of its much larger diameter but that the gas is compressed in a way that adds considerably to higher volumes. The line can carry 800 million cubic feet per day, a little over 1% of the gas consumed in the US. If there are 315 million or so people, simple math would say the Spectra line could serve more than 3 million people (which it does - in NYC.) With a population of 270,000 or so, Jersey City doesn't have many streets with 3 million people living on them.

You do understand that just because a few workers in Alabama punctured a major gas line and caused an explosion, that does not guarantee that every single mile of pipeline will inevitably explode? While an isolated incident in a remote part of the line shouldn't affect other, distant parts, that pipeline isn't a "gas" pipeline (natural gas) - it's a refined products line. Refined products are not as volatile as natural gas.

You do understand that you are 25 times more likely to die from meningitis than from a pipeline explosion? You are more likely to die from a pipeline explosion in the US than Ebola and that didn't prevent people from wetting themselves over that, did it? (Hello Gov. Christie?) In fact, depending on the year, you are more likely to die from a pipeline explosion in the US that from "radical islamic terrorism" and yet we spend trillions on that...

You do understand that scaremongering does not result in encouraging proper oversight? See previous answer. Scaremongering is actually quite effective. In fact, there is an entire political party whose very existence is based on it.

Posted on: 2016/11/1 21:44
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Re: Spectra Gas Pipeline -- (like the one Downtown) -- Explosion Cuts Flows to Eastern U.S.
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A couple of small points - the Colonial pipeline is not owned by Spectra. By throwing it into this thread, the impression is that it's a Spectra line. Also, the Spectra/Jersey City pipeline is a natural gas line. Colonial is a refined (oil) products pipeline, including gasoline which likely accounts for the confusion.

Those minor details aside - I agree with you, Score09.

Posted on: 2016/11/1 17:28
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Re: The Most Livable Cities in the U.S. - 1. Jersey City, New Jersey
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Not as far-fetched as it sounds.

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TheBigGuy wrote:

I suspect this is some sort of residual activity that was part a voter communications strategy project commissioned by a former gubernatorial candidate.

The money was spent, it was delivered and now we can all feel good about being #1.

Posted on: 2016/11/1 14:09
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Re: Jersey City DPW to begin removing political campaign signs, official says
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It will be very interesting to see whether Sully the lapdog takes this stance next May and/or November... (Pretty funny that the guy who chairs the local arm of the machine is given a job where he can decide whether a major element of political speech is permissible. Boy how times have not changed...)

For the record - I'm glad they are cleaning up the signs/flyers/what have you. Just pretty bowled over by the irony.

Posted on: 2016/10/12 14:18
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Re: Plumber
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GlitterQueen wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone have a plumber they can recommend? Our basement drain has been randomly backing up. It has happened twice in a month and I need to get it looked at.

Thanks!


Byron Hutchinson - I found him searching in other plumber-related threads on here and he came pretty well recommended. Good work, nice guy and gave a reasonable price.

201 888 4752

Posted on: 2016/10/11 17:35
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Re: PERSHING FIELD POOL- WORLD'S LARGEST HOT TUB
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I thought your letter was spot on, Mao. It's too bad it will likely fall on deaf ears and that the initial reaction is about your tone (which, if you understand pools and swimming, you wouldn't have found inappropriate.)

My high-school aged kids both swim competitively and the few times they've gone to Pershing to try to get a session in have said the same thing about the heat of the water. Facilities that host swim teams (clubs, masters, tri-training, etc.) are sorely lacking in Hudson County - swimming is a great sport that teaches kids self-discipline and the value of hard work. It's also a fantastic way for adults to stay in shape.

Posted on: 2016/10/6 16:57
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Re: Fulop won't run for governor, will back Murphy, sources say
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Interesting potential problem non-gubernatorial candidate Fulop might face - pay to play. Jersey City's standard is much tighter than the Starr's particularly with regard to PACs. Should be interesting to see how that develops.

Posted on: 2016/9/28 19:49
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Re: Fulop won't run for governor, will back Murphy, sources say
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Yvonne wrote:
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Healy never made this announcement at the end of this first term.


Because no one anywhere, ever mentioned (or probably even thought of) Healy running for governor?

Posted on: 2016/9/28 16:45
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Re: Fulop Bridgegate- Testimony Countdown
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Interesting tidbit from the article posted by Kencares:

"These inspection have and will be ongoing in many areas of the city,? Fulop said in a statement. ?There is no reason why truck traffic should not be complying with all applicable laws as the safety for residents on Jersey City roads is paramount."

Anyone know of any other inspections since?

Posted on: 2016/9/26 18:24
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Re: Another outside the box commuting idea
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Headline should have been: "Local politicians, uninformed, spout hyberbolic nonsense."

What a creative idea - which means it's dead in the water. Cable cars run up and over Mt. Blanc (and throughout the Alps) and connect France and Italy covering a span of eight horizontal miles and moving thousands of people daily in the process. But I'm sure there is something uniquely treacherous about the little strip of water between Bayonne and Staten Island that makes this project ill-suited. I've been to that part of Bayonne - having cable cars passing over your backyard would be a major improvement.

Posted on: 2016/9/26 14:45
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Re: Parking Issues Around Hamilton Park
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Interesting article from the co-founder of Lyft. The article is no doubt self-serving, but the points raised are spot on. We are in the early stages (maybe later) of a large shift in transportation and as the Yvonne generation fades away, it will only accelerate - rapidly.

Posted on: 2016/9/26 14:35
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Re: PATH (pathetic attempt at transporting humans)
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JCMan8 wrote:
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And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


Don't kill the job.

Posted on: 2016/9/22 18:09
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Re: Large Explosion in Chelsea - 135 W. 23rd - Dumpster Destroyed
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JCMan8 wrote:
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T-Bird wrote:
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skinny wrote:
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T-Bird wrote:
The whole notion that Sharia law is just around the corner and that it is coming and will presage the rise of Islam in the U.S. is a red herring that the far right has tried to put out there for years now - and its very effective echo chamber has done a great job scaring those willing to listen. It's a very useful tool for judges in Alabama to trot out when seeking re-election - but show me one actual example where it has been implemented in the US. Or even attempted.

Arguments are funny - if you are selective with your timeframes and choose a several hundred year period many centuries ago, you can "prove" all sorts of things... but don't you think the actions of the past century are probably more relevant? Steady US bombing over the past 20 years... A century+ of French, British and American intervention in pursuit of oil... a wildly pro-Israel foreign policy that contributes to the marginalization of many in the middle east... We kill people daily in that part of the world, often innocent people. Is it really that hard to understand why at least a small number of their friends, relatives, countrymen, et al might not be willing to turn the other cheek? You can chicken and egg this thing forever, but US foreign policy plays a considerable role in all of this.

As Verbal Kint once said: "The explanation is never that complicated."


I am not claiming it is already here. But the effort is fully underway by some.

Rome wasn't built in a day....

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/mu ... ere-is-her-epic-response/



Interesting you mention Rome - I would take the Rome example in the other direction: even the mightiest of empires come to an end. When you use force to get what you want (and vastly outconsume your share of resources along the way), no big surprise when you meet your end through force either.


I'm happy you are so honest. A typical example of the way liberals think. We shouldn't try to fight these attacks; we deserve them.


Your happiness couldn't be of less interest to me, but I am pleased that you acknowledge "thought". Seems to be lacking among those with whom you find common cause.

But to your points - as you would say: show me where I said we shouldn't fight them (big clue: I didn't.) Show me where I said we deserve them (another big clue: I didn't.) The whole "you liberals" thing is getting soooooo tired. Why not freshen it up with something a little more current? I prefer "fact-based."

Posted on: 2016/9/21 20:40
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Re: Large Explosion in Chelsea - 135 W. 23rd - Dumpster Destroyed
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skinny wrote:
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T-Bird wrote:
The whole notion that Sharia law is just around the corner and that it is coming and will presage the rise of Islam in the U.S. is a red herring that the far right has tried to put out there for years now - and its very effective echo chamber has done a great job scaring those willing to listen. It's a very useful tool for judges in Alabama to trot out when seeking re-election - but show me one actual example where it has been implemented in the US. Or even attempted.

Arguments are funny - if you are selective with your timeframes and choose a several hundred year period many centuries ago, you can "prove" all sorts of things... but don't you think the actions of the past century are probably more relevant? Steady US bombing over the past 20 years... A century+ of French, British and American intervention in pursuit of oil... a wildly pro-Israel foreign policy that contributes to the marginalization of many in the middle east... We kill people daily in that part of the world, often innocent people. Is it really that hard to understand why at least a small number of their friends, relatives, countrymen, et al might not be willing to turn the other cheek? You can chicken and egg this thing forever, but US foreign policy plays a considerable role in all of this.

As Verbal Kint once said: "The explanation is never that complicated."


I am not claiming it is already here. But the effort is fully underway by some.

Rome wasn't built in a day....

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/mu ... ere-is-her-epic-response/



Interesting you mention Rome - I would take the Rome example in the other direction: even the mightiest of empires come to an end. When you use force to get what you want (and vastly outconsume your share of resources along the way), no big surprise when you meet your end through force either.

Posted on: 2016/9/21 18:17
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Re: Large Explosion in Chelsea - 135 W. 23rd - Dumpster Destroyed
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Lima17 wrote:
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Yvonne wrote:
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manu wrote:
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Yvonne wrote:
No you do not ban all immigration but you ban immigration from countries that want to harm you. President Carter banned immigration from Iran in the hostage crisis. Common sense, you do not allow people in who plans on killing you.


Please tell us what are the countries you would ban immigration from.


Any country associated with ISIS.


What's your definition of a "country associated with ISIS"? Any country that has had an ISIS cell? So you want to ban immigration from most of Europe??


And Minnesota?

Posted on: 2016/9/21 18:16
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Re: Large Explosion in Chelsea - 135 W. 23rd - Dumpster Destroyed
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The whole notion that Sharia law is just around the corner and that it is coming and will presage the rise of Islam in the U.S. is a red herring that the far right has tried to put out there for years now - and its very effective echo chamber has done a great job scaring those willing to listen. It's a very useful tool for judges in Alabama to trot out when seeking re-election - but show me one actual example where it has been implemented in the US. Or even attempted.

Arguments are funny - if you are selective with your timeframes and choose a several hundred year period many centuries ago, you can "prove" all sorts of things... but don't you think the actions of the past century are probably more relevant? Steady US bombing over the past 20 years... A century+ of French, British and American intervention in pursuit of oil... a wildly pro-Israel foreign policy that contributes to the marginalization of many in the middle east... We kill people daily in that part of the world, often innocent people. Is it really that hard to understand why at least a small number of their friends, relatives, countrymen, et al might not be willing to turn the other cheek? You can chicken and egg this thing forever, but US foreign policy plays a considerable role in all of this.

As Verbal Kint once said: "The explanation is never that complicated."

Posted on: 2016/9/21 17:37
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