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Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.
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...... but I will tell you that if nothing is done to fix the train wreck that people call government in NJ it will be worse than anything you can imagine.


I agree.

Posted on: 2011/7/5 11:26
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Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.
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borisp wrote:

What I am going to ask now, is - in this spirit of logical rationality, - would you care to provide some convincing factual examples to support your accusations about the Tea Party?

That is, - I understand you are against their politics, which is fine. But you also accused them of being "just as crazy" as people who threaten physical violence.

Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?


Suggest those that are interested use the following as a search "tea party hate".
I personally won't want put the offending images up, but I am not going to deny or ignore they exist.

borisp, Without getting into any policies and politics, don't you feel those who deny that the tea party has some individuals who are crazy and hateful are lacking "logical rationality"?

I want to go back to the topic at hand (Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.)
You know, a few short weeks ago I was thinking maybe CC is doing the state good. Maybe I could/would even vote for him (I am not one of those party voters that you often rail against borisp). Then this gov does something so stupid like taxpayer funded personal helicopter use and I remember what CC's travel budget was like when he was a government employee (US attorney for NJ). From this I realize the man does not have the brains to learn from mistakes. Why would I support such ongoing behavior? Next I read that he is taking 2 weeks vacation, after taking
a vacation a recently as December (during the first big snowstorm). From this I have decided (independent of politics) that CC is not intelligent enough to earn my support.

Posted on: 2011/7/5 11:06
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Re: New Jersey & Gay Marriage
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borisp,
I have been respectful to you. I ask the same.

Please read what I said again.

[Quote]And celebrating tomorrow? You got it!!! As part of this I will celebrate that since we started in 1776 we gave not only gave blacks a vote (and did not count them as just 3/5\'s of a person without any vote), Women can vote (starting only 91 years ago in very limited unpopulated parts of the country), Gays will soon be able to serve in the Military openly, etc etc etc. I am so glad these things came about. Yes, it would have been better if they had all happened sooner/faster but they did happen and change came in a way that the citizens could (mostly LOL) adapt to.
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Where in God's Green Earth do I credit or cite the declaration of independence, the constitutional conventions, compromises made when writing the constitution, or any of the countless events that have happened since 1776 for any of the progress I cited above?
BTW I feel the US of A has made progress, your opinion may be different and that is OK by me.

And yes I knew when I wrote the above that women did not receive the vote all at once. You will note I said "in very limited unpopulated parts of the country". I did not look it up but I believe it was in 1920, hence my 91 years ago statement. I will leave it to you to point out if you can get me in a "gotcha" moment.

Having said the above, I only know the first state that franchised women. Those not in the know will have to look it up, but I will give them another clue. It is the same state that awarded the Vice President that came before our current one 2 DUI's.

borisp, Have good a fourth. And this applies whether you are celebrating or ruing what the country started EVEN BEFORE July 4 1776. I hope you are glad enough in spirit to wish others the same even if they do not have a commanding knowledge of our history.

Best!

Posted on: 2011/7/4 15:49
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Re: New Jersey & Gay Marriage
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But since that is like 45 million light years away from happening, I have to look at outcome versus theory - until marriage comes off the books all together I 100% support gay marriage.



This is what puzzles me immensely. If you already decided to fight for a change in the current laws, - why not fight for the RIGHT change?

And, as someone who immigrated here from Soviet Russia, - boy, am I puzzled by the attitude "oh, it is light years away from happening". Look, if all people thought this way, - what would we be celebrating tomorrow?


Can't speak for Ms_Taggart. For myself if out of this great democracy and it's "making sausage" way of passing legislation, when new legislation/laws come out something like 60% or more "good" I am generally satisfied.
Yea I wish legislation could be greater than 98% good but ain't gonna happen.

If we were in that Soviet Russia type system (glad we are not) it would be much easier to have these changes decreed from above. But look where that got them

And celebrating tomorrow? You got it!!! As part of this I will celebrate that since we started in 1776 we gave not only gave blacks a vote (and did not count them as just 3/5's of a person without any vote), Women can vote (starting only 91 years ago in very limited unpopulated parts of the country), Gays will soon be able to serve in the Military openly, etc etc etc. I am so glad these things came about. Yes, it would have been better if they had all happened sooner/faster but they did happen and change came in a way that the citizens could (mostly LOL) adapt to.

Posted on: 2011/7/4 3:35
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Re: 3/7/2011: Jersey City mayor: 2011 tax rate will be 'stable' - Did your taxes go up in 3rd quarter?
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Teacher & borisp,
What good is it going to a US congressmen (Sires) for local tax rate issues?



Never did I propose such a nonsense.

What I proposed is to fire the people who can't do the job of the City governance properly and vote for someone else.


Sorry, since teachers's post had a US Congressman's website address I thought he was proposing that we write to US congressman to complain about local taxes. When you quoted this and added to it I thought you were saying fire a politician on the federal level when this particular issue is City/County and to a lesser extent state.

If the website address had been the mayor or council or even state I would not have said anything.

Again apologies.

Posted on: 2011/7/4 3:14
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Re: 3/7/2011: Jersey City mayor: 2011 tax rate will be 'stable' - Did your taxes go up in 3rd quarter?
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teacher wrote:
complain to your congressman,
2% cap?
http://sires.house.gov/



Don't you think it is really weird that we need to complain about OUR OWN EMPLOYEE?

Why not just fire him?


Teacher & borisp,
What good is it going to a US congressmen (Sires) for local tax rate issues?
Shouldn't we be going to our City council people, Mayor and possibly state reps for our messed up and overly high city taxes?
And borisp, My sentiments mirror yours. The Mayor and City council should be fired. They do not react or listen to complaints.

Posted on: 2011/7/3 22:38
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Re: New Jersey & Gay Marriage
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You can't argue TWO sides at the same time.

Either you acknowledge that any person has a right to decide who makes medical decision for him, who visits him in a hospital or prison, and so on. In this case all the first part of your comment loses any meaning.

Or you deny that, and pronounce that only The Government has the power to decide who to allow in each case.


If this is the former than stop explaining the difference between "living will" and notarized piece of paper, - since THERE IS NONE. If it is the right of a person to make this decision, than it matters not how that person calls the piece of paper they are written on.



As I said, - if you hear something like "only the baptized can buy houses", the right thing to do is to demolish that law. And not to demand that everyone was government-baptized.


Sorry, you have lost me, I apologize for being so dense.
Only thing I can figure is perhaps you are thinking I am arguing "for the way things ought to be". That is not the points I am trying to make.

I thought I was only pointing out the reality of our present laws, which I totally agree with you, are messed up in many cases.
Whether it is right or not, and whether you like it or not, neither a living will nor your notarized piece of paper will give your selected non spousal "life partner" or other party intimately trusted by you to you the ability to visit you and make decisions for you if it is challenged by a family member you do not trust to make decisions while you are incapacitated such as in a coma. Current law gives family more standing than the person you sanely elected before the tragedy that put you in the coma.

Going back to the issue we started out with, this is one of the several ways (I listed others in my previous post) beyond taxes that government gives standing to marriage.

Again, not saying this is right, just the way the present law is.

Many times Gay people have family that they do not trust and they want nothing to do with. Perhaps that family has ostracized and criticized all parts of them and their lifestyles. At present their is nothing that can be done in many states by that gay person to give the person they most trust (perhaps love and spent 30 or more years with). The hospital is required by the government to honor the family more than the paper with your wishes.

Posted on: 2011/7/3 22:08
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Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.
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Look into how the stadiums, arenas and ballparks are built with taxpayer funds. The individuals, who get this done, are known as bankers, work for investment funds


Nope, wrong. No banker can possibly forcibly extract one dollar from a taxpayer.

The people who do that are called "elected officials". And they work for a so-called "government"

Do you know WHY bankers and investment fund managers and others are coming to those politicians and exchanging favors with them?

No? Let me tell you. It is YOU.

Not you personally, of course, - but everyone who wants the Government to get involved in the economy. You want it, and you vote for it, - and the government is always very willing to expand its powers.

And then you have a situation where consumer no longer decides which company thrives, which survives, and which goes belly-up. No more it is you and your dollars. Nope.

Now, the Government makes the decision, - more than you.


Why are you surprised that business caters to the government more than it caters to you?

If for a business an investment of $1 in lobbying gives more profit than an investment in R&D, or making the products cheaper, or better, or improving service and so on, - a business will invest in lobbying. Plain and simple.

Remember, when the GM was about to fail? Why was that? I can tell you - it was because YOU were not buying their cars. So, the Government intervened and said, - "if you refuse to buy their cars voluntarily, we will force you to give them money without getting car in exchange - for nothing!"

And they took your money and gave to GM. And you thought "oh, that is a good decision! I will vote for them again!"

Good luck with that.

borisp,
I think if you read my response carefully you will find that I have way more in agreement with you than want to believe.
Having said that where did GM and it's bailout ever come up? I never gave you ANY inclination of my leanings in ANY way on this matter.
The title of this thread is "Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation."
I never brought up GM, Christie does not have anything to do with GM, And I do not believe it is related to the state budget.
And I know sports players salaries are not part of the topic either. In retrospect I should not have responded to your post about this, it just takes both of us more off topic.
Peace and have a good 4th of July Holiday.

Posted on: 2011/7/3 17:02
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Re: 3/7/2011: Jersey City mayor: 2011 tax rate will be 'stable' - Did your taxes go up in 3rd quarter?
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Posted on: 2011/7/3 16:49
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Re: New Jersey & Gay Marriage
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First may I politely point out that you switched from quote "You can take a piece of paper, write "I trust so-and-so to make a decision on my behalf in a medical emergency", notarize your signature for $3 and DONE." end quote to "Living Wills". In all fairness if you were speaking of living wills you should of said so.

A living will in many states will not give visitation rights. If a family (defined as persons parents, siblings etc) wants to prevent the hospitalized persons chosen non spousal partner from visiting the sick person in the hospital they are able to do so. A living will cannot prevent this.

Further in your post on this thread of 7/1 8:08 you stated:
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"The Government's "contribution" in the whole thing are two things:

(1) Tax breaks. The government decided to encourage some forms of private sex life financially.

(2) Licensing. The government decided that it will decide who can and can't call their union a "marriage" (which is now, apparently, a government-owned trademark)."
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Marriage confers many benefits beyond the government tax codes. Not just hospital visitation but Jail or prison visitation rights and immigration policies are more benefits of marriage given beyond the tax code.
Perhaps others can help me with more marriage benefits given by government? And I mean by government, not those given by industry/business like cheaper insurance rates. Also do not include the longer life spans, less family poverty to those children fortunate enough to be living with married parents than cohabiting parents.

That said I think you and I probably agree on that government should get out of the marriage business. Let's have government agree that any two reasonable people (ie sane, competent, age of consent etc) can get a civil union. Let each Religion decide who Religion will marry. Marriage confers only the rights of a private organization, it does not confer any additional rights or privileges of government.
I am not an optimist in the realities of getting our political system to "bend to our will". God bless you if you are that much of an optimist/idealist.
With Respect

Posted on: 2011/7/3 16:19
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Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.
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rbnyfan wrote:
What always tickles me is that the common man is enraged at Wall Street and the bankers 6 figure salary. Where\'s the outrage at MLB players who make 10 times that? or the NFL player? The NBA is in a lockout because they can\'t agree over how many millions of dollars to pay their players. But yeah, let\'s tax the greedy bankers.



rbnyfan,
Look into how the stadiums, arenas and ballparks are built with taxpayer funds. The individuals, who get this done, are known as bankers, work for investment funds while getting huge fees for both themselves and their firms underwriting taxpayer guaranteed bonds.
Next understand that the box seats, suites and even general seating in these stadiums are purchased with pretax dollars by corporations to give to themselves. Unlike your "common man" (your term, not mine) these corporate citizens have the ability to pay for their entertainment with out paying taxes and in taxpayer funded seating that often paid their 6 plus figure salary no less.
I believe you would call me a common man and I think I am. But this common man really feels overwhelmed by the ability of the "Wall Street and the bankers" (again your term) to make and change the rules to whichever way they see fit.
I Submit with Respect.

Posted on: 2011/7/3 14:41
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Re: New Jersey & Gay Marriage
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borisp wrote:

"The right to make decisions on a partner's behalf in a medical emergency"? You can take a piece of paper, write "I trust so-and-so to make a decision on my behalf in a medical emergency", notarize your signature for $3 and DONE.


borisp,
Please study this issue before you make claims like this.
While a person can do the above, the hospital is not required to honor it. Further, another family member of the sick or injured person (Parent, Sibling even aunt or uncle and cousin) supersedes the desires of that person named on the piece of paper notarized no matter how much was paid for the notary stamp.
If a spouse is hospitalized, the desires of the spouse take all preference.
Many times both gay and straight individuals do not want their families to make medical decisions if they are incapacitated (ie coma). A marriage means the spouse has standing and gives the incapacitated person choice in who will make decisions.

There are more issues beyond this and "taxes" that gives people benefit in marriage.
I just felt it proper to point out what I hope is only a wrongful assumption on your part about the power of a $3 notary stamp.
Peace!

Posted on: 2011/7/3 13:56
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