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Re: Ideas for Jersey City T-shirts
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Posted on: 2007/3/7 2:29
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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Wow. I didn't think anyone would even read that! Just a couple of rebuttals, if I may, yer honor:

[snip]
3. The idea that trees somehow promote global warming ...
What? Oh that was rhetorical. Well the link I posted was about research published in Nature, a perfectly respectable science journal, perhaps the most respectable. Did you read it?

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I'm amazed that people still believe that.

Still? Well it's quite a recent discovery and the jury is still out. You didnt read it, did you?

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It's one step away from Reagan's "leaves cause pollution" speech.


Interesting you should mention pollution (and Reagan). Let me take one step closer.

Smog is created when certain oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) combine with volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and sunlight to produce tropospheric ozone (that's bad ozone as compared to the good ozone in the stratsophere that filters UV radiation). NOxs are mostly man made. The VOCs can be man made or biogenic. Apparently man-made VOC production has been declining due to anti-pollution regulations whereas the biogenic (mostly from trees and plants) type has been increasing in urban areas particularly due to the planting of trees which emit VOCs such as isoprene and monoterpene. The biogenic VOCs are more reactive than the man-made kind.

Nobody is advocating cutting down trees as a solution to the problem but it does seem that certain species of tree are lower emitters of VOCs than others so you can still get the normal cooling and positive anti-pollution effects of trees without adding to the smog problem. The highest emitters of isoprene are the oaks whereas the highest emitters of monoterpenes are pines.

Other high emitters to avoid are sweetgums, black locust, london plane, sycamore, willow and poplars. You can go to the EPA website for links to more information on any particular species.

Some more links to ignore:

New trees cancel out pollution cuts
Reagan was right: trees cause pollution
The Darker Side of Trees
Emission of smog ingredients from trees is increasing rapidly
Good Copse, Bad Copse
Dairy Cows Pollute less than Trees

I suppose one 'advantage' of this is that smog causes global dimming which slows global warming.
Apparently some Nobel Laureates are considering smog production as a solution to global warming.

Could Smog Protect against Global Warming

Posted on: 2007/3/7 0:53
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p.s. 28 - does anyone know anyone who sends their child here?
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I have pretty much decided to send my 5-year old daughter to p.s. 28 in the heights. While I have heard that this is a "very good school", I have yet to meet another parent who has sent their child to Kindergarten there.Unfortunately, they don't allow parents to roam the hallways & meet with the teachers or sit in on the classrooms.While I still have another private school option, I really feel we should give the public school a try, especially since we have lived there for 6 years and have made a commitment to stay in the area.I would love to speak to other moms/dads in the heights who are going through similar circumstances.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 22:40

Edited by realtycheck on 2007/3/6 22:57:40
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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JPhurst wrote:
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We want restored historic buildings that create attractive destination neighborhoods, a means to travel the neighborhood other than the automobile, and housing that will integrate well with the surroundings in JC.


Fixed.


LOL, JPhurst.

Actually, I have to say that in a sense I agree with you. In the absence of strong urban planning from the City, and in the presence of many aggressive developers (JC is currently a goldmine for them), a grass-roots opposition (even if sometimes a bit extreme in my view), creates a counter-balance to the developer offensive and the impotence of JC urban planners.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 18:57
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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Check some of the data on the traffic study website, I believe that even with the most optimistic scenario, JC's excess commercial / office space will not be absorbed within a decade or more.

Right now we have 1/2 a pie (or Pei) with the existing GS tower. Since the redevelopment plan was changed during one of the all day summer council meetings up on King Dr. (at the same time as the 111 settlement's redevelopment plan changes) I do not remember well, but these renderings may only satisfy requirements of the changes to the GS plan.

Now that GS reconfigured the developement plan including the elimination of the pubic atrium, do not be surprised if they flip the property or it ends up as residential.

I'll put up two cents that this design will not be built.



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With Manhattan commercial real estate bursting at the seams it is only a matter of time.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 18:46
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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injcsince81 wrote:


We want restored historic buildings that create attractive destination neighborhoods, a means to travel the neighborhood other than the automobile, and housing that will integrate well with the surroundings in JC.


Fixed.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 18:32
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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actually old warehouses and bicycles sound like a liveable neighborhood to me, so you are definitely speaking about me, though I think we are referring to high density or higher density.....not everything, everywhere....

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Ah, the hell with Koolhaas and Pei.

We want old warehouses, bicycles, and low-density housing in JC.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 18:28
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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I for one am so happy and relieved that they got rid of those unsightly trees. Oh my! With the leaves changing and falling all over the place in the fall, and the buds and pollen in the spring, every season brought another nightmare! There are several on my block that I do hope the city will remove as quickly as possible! They block the facade of my brownstone! Oh well, what is one to do but grin and bear it I suppose. Toodles!

No for real, some people kill trees because their roots go into the sewer lines.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 18:16
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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No the T&M draft is not the lastest plan for Hamilton Park, perhaps Councilman Fulop can post the plans on his website in advance of the meeting

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4bailey wrote:
[quote]Question... is this PDF on the Jersey City website the latest (most recent) plan??...

If not, does anyone know of a site/place where I can get the most up-to-date plan prior to the 3/22 meeting??...

TIA!

Posted on: 2007/3/6 17:52

Edited by DanL on 2007/3/6 18:19:50
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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The plan posted is the latest and was created by T&M. Schoor DePalma won the bid to create construction plans for Hamilton Park. These plans should be very similar to what T&M proposed, and what was discussed in community meetings, but we will have to wait until 3/22/07 to see these new plans.

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...And then compare it to the map of trees as proposed by T&M on page 61 of their plan:

http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/arch/MasterPlan.pdf



Question... is this PDF on the Jersey City website the latest (most recent) plan??...

If not, does anyone know of a site/place where I can get the most up-to-date plan prior to the 3/22 meeting??...

TIA!

Posted on: 2007/3/6 14:50
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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...And then compare it to the map of trees as proposed by T&M on page 61 of their plan:

http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/arch/MasterPlan.pdf



Question... is this PDF on the Jersey City website the latest (most recent) plan??...

If not, does anyone know of a site/place where I can get the most up-to-date plan prior to the 3/22 meeting??...

TIA!

Posted on: 2007/3/6 13:37
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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jennymayla wrote:

2. Do people really not like trees? What's not to like? It's not like not liking guns or war or poverty. Trees are trees! It's like not liking air!


Yes. Some people don't like trees. They find the mess they make (flower petals in spring if applcable, twigs and leaves after storms and the fall leaves) far outweigh any benefits. They cut down the trees on their property and bitch about anything that falls from their neighbor's trees. One person told me that trees block the breeze and that's why we get those 95 degree days in the summer. See? They do cause global warming.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 13:01
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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The T&M representative has stated on several occasions that a survey of the trees was never done, so don't pay attention to the rendering of the trees in the drawings. I have followed the parks meetings very closely, and know that there are no plans to cut down the trees.

Over the years the trees were severely neglected. The Hamilton Tree Company had to take aggressive measures to save the trees.

BTW, T&M is out of the picture. Schoor DePalma will present their drawings, which should be based on the T&M plans.

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jim399 wrote:
T&M's plan for Hamilton Park needs to be opposed. Check out the location of trees in Hamilton Park right now on this Google satellite photo:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en ... ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=40.727651,-74.044829&spn=0.001531,0.003382&t=k&om=0

And then compare it to the map of trees as proposed by T&M on page 61 of their plan:

http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/arch/MasterPlan.pdf

It looks like the existing trees will be chopped down and replaced with tiny ones along the paths.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 4:16
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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When I first moved to Jersey City, I liked the abundance of mature trees. But I knew that eventually they would all be chopped down in the name of progress. Will anyone even mourn the passing of the trees of Hamilton Park?

Without trees to provide shade, you can not eat lunch at noon in the summer. Remember this warning!

Posted on: 2007/3/6 3:58
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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T&M's plan for Hamilton Park needs to be opposed. Check out the location of trees in Hamilton Park right now on this Google satellite photo:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en ... ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=40.727651,-74.044829&spn=0.001531,0.003382&t=k&om=0

And then compare it to the map of trees as proposed by T&M on page 61 of their plan:

http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/arch/MasterPlan.pdf

It looks like the existing trees will be chopped down and replaced with tiny ones along the paths.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 2:54
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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Hurtle wrote:
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missa wrote:

:D

hurtle, can we just plant trees covertly around town?
...kinda like how the hippies used to try to grow illegal plants at city halls?


Yes. Yes you can. Around September last year, Lowes had their trees marked down to the $5 -$10 range and they were glad to see them go. Keep in mind not everyone likes trees so about 1/3 will be ripped out/stolen/vandalized and another 1/3 will die because you can't water them as needed. Bring a friend so you only look half as crazy digging in the street at 5:00 AM.

People like to yell funny stuff as you drive through the city with a tree hanging from your car. Woo hoo.


1. Thanks for a very funny post -- made me smile thinking about it!

2. Do people really not like trees? What's not to like? It's not like not liking guns or war or poverty. Trees are trees! It's like not liking air!

Posted on: 2007/3/6 2:23
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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Wow. I didn't think anyone would even read that! Just a couple of rebuttals, if I may, yer honor:
1. The city's program for planting street trees is a good one. The only disadvantage is that you have to be the property owner to apply. On our buildings we planted about 8 beech trees on sixth street. But we can't do anything about empty pits on Erie etc. Here's that URL again: http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/dpw/tree_planting.html
2. The company that trimmed the Hamilton Park trees was not "Hamilton Tree Co." I remember the van that was in attendance. It definitely did not have that name. Subcontractor?
3. The idea that trees somehow promote global warming ... I'm amazed that people still believe that. It's one step away from Reagan's "leaves cause pollution" speech.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 2:20
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Re: So much for all of you folks who predicted a JC/NYC RE Crash
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I have anecdotal evidence (from an RE agent aunt and in-laws who have looked at apartments in Manhattan both a couple of years ago and recently) that the market is not as hot as it was and that prices in some areas and some ranges have come down a little.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 2:13
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Re: So much for all of you folks who predicted a JC/NYC RE Crash
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The last downturn went from roughly 1988 to 1996 and there were a number of Jersey City residential projects famously underwater.

To state the obvious, real estate investors and developers are more stupid and corrupt than the average business person. Brokers are even worse. This may heighten cyclicality.

The underlying economic fundamentals in the downtown JC market haven't changed much at all in recent years, and they're only likely to slowly deteriorate along with those of downtown Manhattan.

Another obvious point: Jersey City is mostly a rat-hole.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 1:56
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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I.M. Pei designed the J&J headquarters in New Brunswick. It also incorporates some green into the design, which wasn't there before Pei started.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 0:18
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Hamilton Park Final Plans
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It is my privilege to both invite residents and publicize a meeting that we will be having on March 22nd at 7PM in the Hamilton Square Building (old nursing school, 1 McWilliams Place) regarding the Hamilton Park renovation. We have steadily been moving this project forward for several months based on community input, and on March 22nd will be the final opportunity to review the plan and suggest any last minute changes.

The Hamilton Park process has been a great example of community involvement as we have had a tremendous turnout at the previous meetings and I sincerely hope it continues through this final stage. I am confident that the plans now take into consideration all the community input provided from the previous meetings, but it still is always best if you can find time to join us on March 22nd.

Sincerely,
Steven Fulop

Posted on: 2007/3/6 0:06
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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No prob, we cool.

Posted on: 2007/3/6 0:00
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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bd - my bad.

I misunderstood your comments regarding green.

Posted on: 2007/3/5 23:57
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Re: Please Stop Cutting Down Trees in JC
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fat-ass-bike wrote:

"We now have the spectre that new forests might increase greenhouse warming through methane emissions rather than decrease it by being sinks for CO2," - New Zealand atmospheric scientist Dr. David Lowe

Scientists question trees' role in global warming

So I guess that the process of photosynthesis is a load of crap too!

But I like the use of the word 'might', just like the alternative 'might not'.


yeah, well like they say there are some large error bars on the measurements. When you are dealing in parts per billion it is not surprising. At least he has an open mind. It looks like trees could be a small net minus in terms of the effect on greenhouse gas emissions which must be a bit of a shock for the tree huggers but to the rest of us it is unlikely to make much difference so we can just enjoy them for what they are. So no need to make probably incorrect arguments about how trees are the only thing that will save the planet from global warming. There are enough reasons to oppose the chopping down of trees in JC without resorting to that.

Posted on: 2007/3/5 23:43
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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NNJR wrote:
Can't wait until 2015 when all the old farts are on jc list complaining about the new GS building :)


Well OK. Hope you can find something to occupy your time between now and then.

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:51
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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bdlaw wrote:
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injcsince81 wrote:

Isn't Liberty State Park in Jersey City?

Isn't it 1,100 acres of green?



I don't think that the state park, a flat meadow of grass, is where the building we are discussing will be built.

Not trying to bust your balls or start a fight but the reference I was making was to IBM's headquarters in Armonk, NY, designed by Pei, which is beautifully integrated into the surrounding forest and hills. I probably should have made some clearer references and / or linked to some pics.


Well, there's always the open terraces that will be integrated into the rooftops of the Koolhaas building.

Best future sign at 111 First - NO DOG FRISBEE ALLOWED!

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:48
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Re: The Great Jersey City SOUP SWAP '07
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i will be there with my vegetarian soup.

and in case you are wondering, soup is art.

i got a painting with 10 bowls of soup on it for yule, so take that, naysayers!

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:47
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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Didn't Pei design the Javitz Centre?

EWWWW.

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:36
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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injcsince81 wrote:

Isn't Liberty State Park in Jersey City?

Isn't it 1,100 acres of green?



I don't think that the state park, a flat meadow of grass, is where the building we are discussing will be built.

Not trying to bust your balls or start a fight but the reference I was making was to IBM's headquarters in Armonk, NY, designed by Pei, which is beautifully integrated into the surrounding forest and hills. I probably should have made some clearer references and / or linked to some pics.

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:22
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Re: I.M. Pei in Jersey City
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bdlaw wrote:


Of course, by the time this happens JC'll have nothing green except the content of I-Bankers' wallets for Pei to work with anyway...


Isn't Liberty State Park in Jersey City?

Isn't it 1,100 acres of green?

I wouldn't be surprised if, counting the LSP, Jersey City had a very decent amount of total park space per city area among densely populated US cities.

Anybody got stats?

Posted on: 2007/3/5 22:15
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