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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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I am going to repost what I put elsewhere. Because the Children's First Team cynical manipulation of the dual language program is a new low.

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Sigh....it really is unfortunate that an effective and popular program is being subjected to political games.

A little background is helpful. The dual language program is a citywide program. Families from any school zone can apply. It is supposed to have 50% English and 50% Spanish speakers in each class. That way the kids learn from each other.

In the past, the school would set up interviews for each family to make sure they were committed to the program. The interview consisted of questions like "Do you read to your kids every night?" "Are you willing to stay through 5th grade?" "Would you be willing to help out?" I'm not sure how anyone could give the wrong answer to such questions.

Dual language became very popular. In part because of the learning model, and at P.S. 3 in particular because it was one of the few schools citywide that had pre-K 3 classes of any type. So families that wanted to get a pre-K spot in a school, as opposed to a child care center, had an obvious interest in applying to P.S. 3's dual language.

Having attended the dual language information sessions at the school, I can also say that the P.S. 3 administration explicitly used dual language as a tool to recruit parents to the school. There was a lot of talk about how it was "better than a charter" and how well the students did on the state mandated standardized tests.

The problem really came to a head 2 years ago, when the program was deluged with applications. The district had 3 dual language sections the year before, and had initially cut it back to 2. Remember that by law, you can only have 15 kids in a pre-K section. So you had somewhere over 100 applications for 30 spots.

The interim-superintendent Walker, on the eve of the school year, made the strange decision to increase the number of dual language sections from 2 to 5. This satisfied the immediate demand, but created a major problem. There was not a 50-50 ratio of English to Spanish speakers. And the sudden increase in dual language students meant less resources for the regular mono-lingual pre-K.

After that year, Lyles became superintendent. Despite the program's popularity, she made some common sense changes to it. The number of sections was cut back. The interview was dispensed with, with a lottery system in its place. And dual language at P.S. 3 started at Pre-K 4, rather than Pre-K 3. Although there may be some advantage to getting kids to learn a second language earlier, this put P.S. 3 in line with the other schools, and prevented parents from trying to grab a dual language spot for the sole purpose of getting a pre-K 3 spot.

The district does have sibling preference, not just for dual language but for siblings in any school. This is to make sure that families don't have to raise kids in different programs, or send kids to different schools.

Ultimately, requesting records for a pre-K 4 class in isolation is not going to show anything meaningful, but it does help a ticket's campaign narrative of "the other guys are only for the rich!"

Posted on: Today 10:20
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
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Newark improved grad rates by 5% 2012 to 2013 - overtaking JC's abysmal rate. That's the kind of progress in JC I'd like to see.

Posted on: Today 10:03
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Re: Brown Water Downtown
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Undrinkable Brown Shit-Water, #JCMakeItYours

Posted on: Today 9:52
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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Quote:

hero69 wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
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hero69 wrote:
i agree that segregation is bad....but if white, elitist parents make sure that their children get the grades to get into elite programs whose fault is that, especially in public schools.just look at the elite nyc public high schools (mostly white, asian based on test scores)

if poor parents are not going to make sure that their chlldren study so that they are competitive and can get into good programs, then they should shut up.

i am all for affirmative action, but even in colleges, all students have to perform (unless, of course, you are a good sports player who performs on the field)


That's why we have the option of private school education - discrimination against struggling families doesn't mean their kids should be regarded and treated as second class citizens - it's discrimination anyway you look at it.

A public education should never discriminate - the private education can discriminate via socioeconomic means; school fees
i am not sure of the mechanics of gettinto special classes but there could be factors beyond race and income as to why there are not more black and hispanic chilldren in these classes


I'm just taking a guess, but it could be because you have to apply for them and take time to make sure you get to the school and stand in line and get your kid on the list. Affluent parents are more likely to have heard of the classes and more likely to take the time and effort to sign their kids up.

That doesn't absolve the schools of any responsibility, they should work to make sure that everyone knows about the opportunity and make it is easy to apply as possible.

Posted on: Today 9:47
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
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Quote:

dtjcview wrote:


What's with the "we believe..."???

As a taxpayer I want to see results. I want to see every kid succeed. I want to see the best use of resources employed in the education of our kids.

I don't want belief and blind faith. I want results. I want proof that our kids are doing better. And frankly, I'm not seeing that in JC.


I honestly don't know what people expected. The school board turned over, what 2 years ago? What magic was supposed to transform JC into a high performing district in 2 years?

These are non-paying positions that have a somewhat limited scope of what they are actually allowed to do and how quickly they can implement change. Are they supposed to just demand that students do better and watch the results roll in?

I do know 6 schools were taken off the low-performing priority list by the state. That's progress. If you didn't see it, perhaps you were not looking. Still, whatever changes happen in school districts they are slow and painful and expecting to see a massive change in a short period of time is just setting yourself up to be perpetually disappointed in the board, no matter who gets elected.








Posted on: Today 9:43
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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Quote:

fat-ass-bike wrote:
Quote:

hero69 wrote:
i agree that segregation is bad....but if white, elitist parents make sure that their children get the grades to get into elite programs whose fault is that, especially in public schools.just look at the elite nyc public high schools (mostly white, asian based on test scores)

if poor parents are not going to make sure that their chlldren study so that they are competitive and can get into good programs, then they should shut up.

i am all for affirmative action, but even in colleges, all students have to perform (unless, of course, you are a good sports player who performs on the field)


That's why we have the option of private school education - discrimination against struggling families doesn't mean their kids should be regarded and treated as second class citizens - it's discrimination anyway you look at it.

A public education should never discriminate - the private education can discriminate via socioeconomic means; school fees
i am not sure of the mechanics of gettinto special classes but there could be factors beyond race and income as to why there are not more black and hispanic chilldren in these classes

Posted on: Today 9:29
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Re: What's going there?
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An upscale BYOB will be coming to 299 Marin Blvd, formerly occupied by Café 95.

https://www.facebook.com/kitchenatgrovestation

http://hotfromthekettle.com/blog/the-kitchen-at-grove-station

Posted on: Today 9:20
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Re: What's going there?
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Quote:

hero69 wrote:
the city should hire more experienced/reliable inspectors to get these businesses open. monty's bar has a sign appearing to sugest possibly that it was opened in 2013.....2015 will soon be here


Per the facebook page, Monty's was stilll putting in walls a weeks ago:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montys-Public-House/163692473799989

Posted on: Today 8:47
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Re: Leak On Roof
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If you've truly found the source of the leak, that's the hard part.
Home Depot sells roofing cement, some in caulk tubes probably, that can be applied onto wet surfaces. Apply it with a plastic trowel and wear disposable gloves. Maybe even a little fiber tape to span a gap. That is really all a roofer will do, unless there is a whole area that needs to be reflashed, or something.
Here's the idea.

Posted on: Today 7:46

Edited by Binky on 2014/10/23 8:09:24
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Re: Koro Koro rice ball cafe
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I had the Salmon which was really good & the Mediteranian which had a sweet(ish) taste & was really yummy.

Posted on: Today 7:30
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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Posted on: Today 7:24
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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This is pure theater.

Desperate nonsense from a slate that has no real interest in better schools...


Posted on: Today 7:10
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Re: What's going there?
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Quote:

Seagull wrote:
What's going on at the space between LITM and Skinner's Loft? Anyone know what's going there?


The building is being expanded to include part of the parking lot entranced on Newark. It will be apartments. The original commercial space is quite small - you can see that they are expanding it to the rear. My guess, and only a guess, is that they won't be able to rent it until they have the rough space enclosed.

Personally, I'd like to see a Citerella-like store in there. Good quality meat, fish, cheese and prepared food.

Posted on: Today 6:48
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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Quote:

hero69 wrote:
i agree that segregation is bad....but if white, elitist parents make sure that their children get the grades to get into elite programs whose fault is that, especially in public schools.just look at the elite nyc public high schools (mostly white, asian based on test scores)

if poor parents are not going to make sure that their chlldren study so that they are competitive and can get into good programs, then they should shut up.

i am all for affirmative action, but even in colleges, all students have to perform (unless, of course, you are a good sports player who performs on the field)


That's why we have the option of private school education - discrimination against struggling families doesn't mean their kids should be regarded and treated as second class citizens - it's discrimination anyway you look at it.

A public education should never discriminate - the private education can discriminate via socioeconomic means; school fees

Posted on: Today 2:01
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
#15
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i agree that segregation is bad....but if white, elitist parents make sure that their children get the grades to get into elite programs whose fault is that, especially in public schools.just look at the elite nyc public high schools (mostly white, asian based on test scores)

if poor parents are not going to make sure that their chlldren study so that they are competitive and can get into good programs, then they should shut up.

i am all for affirmative action, but even in colleges, all students have to perform (unless, of course, you are a good sports player who performs on the field)

Posted on: Today 0:49
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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Segregation is a polite way of not saying discrimination - this is another reason why 'good intentioned' parents should never be allowed on the DoE board.

We need an impartial board who's sole and only focus is centered around providing a great educational experience for ALL kids.

This is just another UGLY side of gentrification - public schools are for the general public and if this article suggests that white collar elitist parents want to manipulate the system for their own gains and the gains of their children, then shame on them

Posted on: Today 0:33
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
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Quote:

Rorschach wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
As a taxpayer I want to see results.


Elected board members are not paid. It's highly unrealistic to expect they either have the knowledge or the time and motivation to make effective decisions on the way the schools are run.

The superintendent is the one really making major decisions.


So the JC BOE are clueless, powerless, and the elections are a waste of time?

Posted on: Today 0:20
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Re: Medical records of 40,000 patients stolen from Jersey City doctor's office, police say
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For this reason I refuse to give out my ss#. If they insist go to another Dr.

Also it is a good idea to freeze your credit with Experian, Trans Union and Equifax permanently. It costs $5 to unfreeze for a time window of your choice if you want to get credit card/ car loan etc and it is worth the small cost. After the freeze you don't need no lifelock etc protection nonsense.

Posted on: Today 0:17
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Re: Koro Koro rice ball cafe
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and they still don't offer tuna onigiri...

Posted on: Today 0:14
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Re: Segregation in the Jersey City Public Schools
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interesting article. i think all children should have good opportunities, but let's face it if one comes from an upper income family (black, white, hispanic, asian) then the parents are more likely to have the intellect , drive and support system/ ecosystem to help their children seize opportunities.....as for the poor, just watch jerry springer and you can see that many of these people (who an barely speak proper english) hardly have any interest in having their children do well in school. sad, but true

Posted on: Today 0:08
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Re: Leak On Roof
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If you want to hold it over for a few days until your landlord return, just put a tarp over the area with the crack and weight the corners down with sandbags / bags of rice / etc. Of course, this will depend on the pitch of your roof to work properly.

Our skylight was leaking sometime ago, and while we waited for a new skylight to be ordered/made/delivered, we had a tarp over it, and it held out really well, and for a long time.

Hope this helps, and good luck!

Posted on: Today 0:08
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Re: Koro Koro rice ball cafe
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Posted on: Yesterday 23:57
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Leak On Roof
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My roof has a small leak. Normally, i would just call my landlord and have him deal with it........but he is away and dealing with a family emergency and won't return until first week of November. Sure, I could call him and all that jazz but he is always been an awesome landlord and not a slum lord that you hear about all the time....so i figure i could wait a bit.

The other tenants ceilings are fine and they even double checked. It's just my place that is cursed. I went up in the roof and checked it and observed it when it drizzled(these last two days) and found the small crack.

Is there anything i could do to seal it? Is there a salve that i can apply....even little old me who knows nothing about home repair??? And it only leaks when its a small drizzle or light rain.......that is just so odd.

Any info is appreciated.

Posted on: Yesterday 23:37
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Re: What's going there?
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the city should hire more experienced/reliable inspectors to get these businesses open. monty's bar has a sign appearing to sugest possibly that it was opened in 2013.....2015 will soon be here

Posted on: Yesterday 23:33
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
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Quote:

dtjcview wrote:
As a taxpayer I want to see results.


Elected board members are not paid. It's highly unrealistic to expect they either have the knowledge or the time and motivation to make effective decisions on the way the schools are run.

The superintendent is the one really making major decisions.

Posted on: Yesterday 23:25
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
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Quote:

vida wrote:
I found their platform on the Parents for Excellence website:
-As independent candidates, we are only beholden to the 28,000 students who depend on our schools for an exceptional education.
-We believe Jersey City Public Schools can provide an excellent education for every child, preparing them for college or a career.
-We believe the best way to raise student achievement is by focusing our efforts, and the efforts of the community, on better public schools.
-We must engage students and teachers and continue to focus resources on schools facing the greatest challenges.
-We will work hard to return Jersey City schools to local control.
-We believe in improving existing schools, opening new ones, and continuing to oppose the practice of closing schools.
-We support the district’s efforts to create more district-run high school choices for students and families.
-We believe in encouraging families to feel welcome and engaged in their children's education. As parents become involved in school, children achieve more. Therefore, we must proactively solicit the opinions of parents and teachers in making Board decisions in order to make the Board more receptive to community needs.
-We support the goal, laid out in the Mayor Fulop's transition report, to build a playground at every elementary and grade school, so every child has a safe place to play.


What's with the "we believe..."???

As a taxpayer I want to see results. I want to see every kid succeed. I want to see the best use of resources employed in the education of our kids.

I don't want belief and blind faith. I want results. I want proof that our kids are doing better. And frankly, I'm not seeing that in JC.

Posted on: Yesterday 22:58
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Re: Brown Water Downtown
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Not too shy to talk


I called United Water. They said despite brown color it's
chlorinated and safe to consume.

OMG. So it's safe to drink dark brown/black water with
major soot that smells like sewer b/c it's chlorinated.

Posted on: Yesterday 22:57
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Re: What's going there?
#28
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What's going on at the space between LITM and Skinner's Loft? Anyone know what's going there?

Posted on: Yesterday 22:51
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Re: Parents For Excellence - Carol Harrison-Arnold, Monica Kress & Bertram Okpokwasili
#29
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I found their platform on the Parents for Excellence website:
-As independent candidates, we are only beholden to the 28,000 students who depend on our schools for an exceptional education.
-We believe Jersey City Public Schools can provide an excellent education for every child, preparing them for college or a career.
-We believe the best way to raise student achievement is by focusing our efforts, and the efforts of the community, on better public schools.
-We must engage students and teachers and continue to focus resources on schools facing the greatest challenges.
-We will work hard to return Jersey City schools to local control.
-We believe in improving existing schools, opening new ones, and continuing to oppose the practice of closing schools.
-We support the district’s efforts to create more district-run high school choices for students and families.
-We believe in encouraging families to feel welcome and engaged in their children's education. As parents become involved in school, children achieve more. Therefore, we must proactively solicit the opinions of parents and teachers in making Board decisions in order to make the Board more receptive to community needs.
-We support the goal, laid out in the Mayor Fulop's transition report, to build a playground at every elementary and grade school, so every child has a safe place to play.

Posted on: Yesterday 22:32
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Re: What's going there?
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Any word on the restaurant that was supposed to open in the old dry cleaners on Erie & Pavonia? They had done so much work initially but it's totally stalled.

Posted on: Yesterday 22:32
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